Yes.
People seem to get mad about other people who play Lightforged or Maghar Warlocks or Manari or other stuff that breaks their head canon.
As if playing in the game world, instead of the following the rules of their head canon, is a personal affront.
The majority of the violence was done by the Silver Covenant who were acting under Jainaâs orders and she did nothing to stop them. Jaina herself does kill some elves during the scenario as well.
Ye I also think itâs mostly people playing their favourite race and it should never be that when you play said race, youâre shamed for playing it. And this is sadly the case of worgen and troll (although in this case itâs indirectly), In worgen case at first it was some really weird approach in Cataclysm where they didnât get a chance to experience their story in Silverpine, and in order to do that the had to play the Horde.
Then you had Genn in BfA where Anduin orders him around,
and then there is this artocious heritage questlines that outright shames them for being worgen.
And then this poop of Gilneas reclamation questline. Which shouldâve happened in BfA period, and where Worgen push out Forsaken for good. Scarlets are just not working. And even less Forsaken who help reclaim it.
And same applies to me as a troll player. Where all I ever witness in game is to constantly watch how trolls are beaten up, having to lose important lore figures. Having to watch not once but twice a cinematic where they die on our own very eyes, and are never narratively allowed to retaliate and actually be successful in doing so.
So yea I love the race, I want to feel proud playing it. But the game developers are jerks and would rather screw you over instead.
I sympathize with troll players, the sensible ones anyway. Guys have had it really rough with the constant bad story telling and story decisions blizz keeps making regarding them.
Often times a lot of their bad decisions regarding trolls AND worgen feelsâŠintentional. And I felt that way for years and blizz really hasnât done much to lessen that feeling
Making worgen be able to go into human form, having worgen lore characters prefer being in human form, and having a bunch of Gilneans who werenât even worgen to begin with were all mistakes Blizzard made from the start in introducing them.
Instead of being their own proper distinct race, they ended up being just humans with a condition that they hate and avoid as much as possible.
What baffles me is, thatâs not what blizz promised us initially. They told us that the worgen were going to be the alliances answer to the darker themes of the horde
And than blizz proceeded to do absolutely nothing with it. We wanted vicious butt kicking werewolves, instead we gotâŠ.anything but
Blizzard certainly tries to make you feel bad, i recall danuser saying something like the horde fanbase didnât learn from the cata-mop arc so thats why they were doing it again
Oh theyâre intentional. The entire appeal of the worgen was that theyâre meant to be vicious, Worgen curse was meant to give incredible screnght agility and fortitude.
And yet theyâre reduced to constant dog jokes, putting them on the âmuzzleâ and I had impression that nobody treats them seriously.
Why would you do that? Theyâre worgen, you should crap your pants when you see them, not taunt them even more.
My impression is that developers donât want to write vicious Alliance because they want to keep them heroic, and therefore any place where theyâd act in questionable way is a big no-no. And this is why theyâre neglected. Worgen are the ugly children that ruin the fantasy of pristine clean Alliance. While imo Alliance shouldâve been this way. We should always have a choice to pick the way we want to act. If you want to go hardcore, you should be allowed to do that. Not every Alliance player wants to be goodie two shoes.
So If I was developer Iâd establish that Alliance is actually diverse in their approach. That they have both heroes and zealots. If Alliance really wants to go hardcore against forsaken, let them play worgen or join Scarlet crusade and let them live to the fantasy where theyâre actually doing what they want to do instead of having Anduin waggling finger at them âwe donât do it in Allianceâ.
Youâd think that with Dark Irons, Worgen, void elves the door would be open to explore Darker aspects of the Alliance and try something new. But nah.
With trolls- they were just obviously never liked to begin with, theyâre constantly hit with sloppy writing. Theyâre mook race. Supposedly strong and intimidating but theyâre always too weak to actually leave any dent on the world politics. They get the same story over and over again: that they lose territories, â they get desperate â and we have to go and stop them â someone imporant dies. Even Darkspears are stuck in insane loope for having to start all over again. Iâve lost a count how many times they lost a home or were attacked and had to recover. They must be record breakers. Poor guys literally cannot catch a break. Even in their Heritage Questline, their island is AGAIN attacked.
Trolls entire purpose in this game is to make others feel good for killing them.
Even their kids.
Troll treatment is intentional. Developers donât like them, and they donât want for them to win anything. If Devs wanted then youâd hear of trolls having more successes in Chronicles than just beating Aquir. But no, theyâre perpetual losers.
There is an aspect to what you said that has merit.
If the Forsaken could just eat corpses to regain their mass and not look like withered zombies, Iâm certain every Forsaken NPC would look like Nathanos and Sylvanas. A bunch of grey-skinned humans and elves.
The Worgen, taking from the werewolf fantasy, are meant to be monsters hiding among humans in disguise. The problem comes in, in that you can easily write a Worgen into any situation you could put a human character. Blizzard just hasnât chosen to do so.
Imagine meeting an Alliance 7th Legion captain in a new zone, who stays back from the front lines, and gives orders, but doesnât lead from the front unlike a lot of fantasy generals. Until later he comes to aid the hero and transforms, revealing he was a Worgen the whole time.
Simple nods to that would be immensely more satisfying to the Worgen and take so little effort to implement. Itâs a tragedy.
Of the 4 playable varieties of humans, the Forsaken are the only one thatâs meaningfully different from the others.
So we just end up in a situation where adding more Gilnean(or Kul Tiran for that matter) characters to the story just feels like adding more humans to the story. Which feels bad since thereâs already so many humans.
Genn should be worgen full time. Tess should be a worgen. Every Gilean character should just be a worgen 99% of the time.
Then of course thereâs the problem of Blizzard pulling yet more humans out of their butt with the Arathi.
They didnât have to do this. Stromgarde is pretty much rebuilt by this timeline, is it not? The Human kingdoms are back to four out of seven. Stormwind, Stromgarde, Gilneas, KulâTiras. Four is a rather strong number, Iâd think. I mean there arenât three Orc Kingdoms, or Eight Troll kingdoms. So only three kingdoms are defunct as far as the Alliance is concerned, and one (Dalaran) was only destroyed recently. The other twoâŠ
Lordaeron is undead, and aligned itself with the Horde, which has always made me smirk, because King Terenasâs legacy is that he protected the Orcs from being slaughtered after the two wars concluded, and his people would end up turning to those very Orcs for help after his death at the hands of his son.
And the other is Alterac, which was punished for siding with the Orcs previously, and has never reassembled itself as a nation in the years since. Itâs really quite odd that an entire nation turned to banditry, and was never absorbed by any other adjacent power. Really strange.
But yeah, we have enough humans and elves. So for Blizzard to just hit us with, âBut there was another! Another great empire of human-elves living under the crust of the world on itâs far side, one whose boasts of power suggest it may even be mightier than both the Alliance and Horde!â
Just cracks me up.
Some do, yes. In some of the more heated times on this forum, I can remember accusations flying toward members of both factions saying that they must be fascists IRL or else they wouldnât have picked the side they did. And âfascistâ was one of the milder accusations, tbh.
Gonna need a big ol citation on this, because while i donât like Danuser, and am happy he and Golden are gone, that seems like a really dumb thing to say.
Wouldnât suprise me especially considering how out of touch most of the dev team is and not understanding what their fanbase wants.
Nobody wanted the Cata-MoP evil horde, just like nobody wanted the BfA evil horde. So no idea why he would even say such a thing
I know they did say âBFA is going to be chock full of faction fistpump moments on both sidesâ and âWeâre totally not garroshing the horde againâ around that time, so its not like they werenât going around saying dumb/untrue things.
it was from one of the QnAâs i canât remember which but the exact quote is âHorde didnt really question themselves during MoP so we are doing it againâ
âHorde didnât really question themselvesâ
Meanwhile the leadin to BFA was all pure Alliance hostility
God I hope the metzen era goes back to this being a 2 faction story.
I was never sure if Blizzard was aware of the irony of that statement. Her objection was that someone should take out her sins on someone else. But she was doing exactly that on the shopkeepers of Dalaran.
Now maybe Blizzard believed that people would think through the issue long enough to come to that point. But I have my doubtsâŠ
I remember this interview too (and how it devolved into shameless back-patting about the justice BfA would do to WC3âs characters), and I also specifically recall this comment⊠but Iâm pretty sure they were talking about the Horde itself, not its players.
Not to detract from how immensely false and stupid even that sentiment was - if anything, MoP did a far superior job examining the Hordeâs flaws and branding it back to its WC3 portrayal, as engraved upon the Cleft of Shadowsâ stone plaque - but still.
Yeah, the word âfanbaseâ wasnât in there.
Still a dumb thing to say, though.