I solved the third spec problem.
They don’t need a third spec. See easy, stop trying to fix a class you know next to nothing about.
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No, that is not what I described.
Either way would work. I wouldn’t mind if it was two classes, melee and ranged. Everyone wins
Yeah, less tanks is definitely what wow needs.
But seriously, I really dislike both.
I’m not sure why the concept or RACE/ROLE is so hard for folks. Yes tauren got a new class. Great. Tauren have always had the ability to tank/heal/DPS via one class or another. Dragonbois don’t.
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people that want to tank will tank. This argument was bad when it was first used and its even worse now
I’m not sure why the concept of change and lore is so hard for folks. This is a different take based on story for a single race out of dozens to have unique restrictions on what classes (and yes that also means roles, gasp!) they can be. I think this is a really neat idea that this race can only be one class, even if it means no tank. They also can’t melee dps like I commented earlier. Where’s the outrage? Why are so many folks so completely mentally incapable of just handling things that aren’t exactly what they wanted? The amount of Karens in the wow community is astounding
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We’re literally asking for the option to do so on one of the few new things (and a major ask for over a decade) in DF.
They want our money, we just want to be able to play the way we like for it. That’s far from unreasonable to ask for. If it were the other way around and ranged got left out again, I’d want a change made too, because the game is more fun when people get to do the things they like.
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If I were trying to make a ranged tank I’d do it through BM hunter or a caster with a pet and have their health linked or something. Even then repositioning bosses with pet AI would be cancerous and people wouldn’t probably want to use them.
Caster tank sounds cool and all, but an entirely caster based tank just doesn’t make sense when you consider they’re just going to have to face tank while casting. As for a tank that weaves melee and spells to tank…might I introduce you to DK, DH, and paladins?
Asking Blizzard to cook up a brand new spec is, in fact, unreasonable at this point. They already had the conversation long ago about what they would do with the new class and how it would work. We are at the stage of making the class flow properly in combat.
If you think there’s actually even a sliver of a chance that they will go back to basic class design to appease people who want a new tank class then you are delusional. You might as well ask them to scrap dragonflight for a void lord expansion. This ship had sailed.
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So because it hasn’t happened it can’t ever happen? Just want to check and make sure we are on the same page.
And when I asked if you read the whole post it was because you responded to my post where I clearly stated not the evoker but another class down the line with
Why can’t we leave the only caster we’ve gotten in decades alone???
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To be fair, it’s Blizz, I don’t expect them to do anything we give feedback on till 10.2 at best, but I don’t mind discussing the fact that it was a crappy move here in GD.
They didn’t even have to make an actual new spec, launching it with Warrior and Evoker would have done the trick.
Because adding a few more abilities within a new spec is the same as redoing the expansion. Right.
Ranged tanks do not work, you must always be in melee to control enemy positioning.
I’m baffled by the sheer number of responses that have never played a ranged/caster tank in a game before.
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an entire expansion worth of content including- raids, dungeons, zones, stories, collectables, a brand new flying system and everything that brings is somehow not new content but a race is?
it was quietly wanted but a major ask? no. The idea that this was some super ingrained desire of the community only popped up when it was announced. People wanting a profession turned into a class was a much bigger ask. (tinker) on the race side people wanted the lizard guys from mop, the tigers from wod and the mogu waaay more.
This like the tank shortage is not a good argument. No game in history has tried to get everyone to play or subscribe, especially if they need to sacrifice the ability to make creative decisions in order to do it. They wrote a story that temporarily excludes dracthyr from a tank role. They shouldn’t change that in order to appease petty complaints on a forum that hates everything they do.
The game is more fun when a development team has complete control over the vision they want their game to be and doesn’t let the whining of Karens get in the way. Not everyone will like it sure, but the game itself will be better when they don’t have to compromise on everything to make a small portion of the playerbase stop whining
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I mean yeah we’ve been down this road before. Blizzard is listening, this expac will rock, and then oh lol same old same old. Time will yell.
Don’t get what the crappy move was though. Do people really think they’re entitled to critique class design on a fairly abstract class concept that, as far as I’m aware, doesn’t really have a super strong lore basis in WoW? It’s not like they unveiled Death Knights and said by the way they can either heal or cast.
If someone told me that there was a new class coming in the next expac and to guess features of it I’d have gone with mail and ranged with a coin toss on healing but not tanking. I probably would have bet on a pure DPS class.
Of course not, but both of them have an equal chance of occurring at this point. Class concept was iterated on before we ever saw it, and they settled on what they did, and honestly tank or no tank was probably the first thing they settled on because they know every class they’ve ever released can do it and they’ve never launched a caster.
Honestly I’m just surprised they even gave us a new class to add into the balancing mix.
Simply, no.
People were talking about this back when demo was so strong in like MoP? Idr. So many people wanted warlock tanks lol.
That’s pretty relative.
Some caster enemies won’t even move but still require aggro.
Some bosses are static and require no positioning.
The tanking will depend on how the enemy behaves.
The problems seems to be that people are confusing ‘being a ranged tank’ with being always at range, as if enemies engaging you at melee would magically make your class melee.
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The biggest problem being dungeons and M+, how are you going to group up mobs under the venthyr lantern while being ranged tank? You can’t. You just have to settle for being melee. And then you have bosses that if no melee tank is within range, they do an AOE non stop and wipe group, plenty of these.
Well I have been hearing people in game since Wrath talk about having a dragon race, so just because the forums weren’t flooded with requests, I took a look and searched for Dragon race threads prior to Nov 21.
Within the first 93 threads that popped up 25 were specifically about asking for a playable dragon race or class.
Go back as far as 2011 starts to pick up heavily on the forums around 2018, it isn’t just a new trend and people are just claiming we wanted it for years.
Same stuff every expansion brings.
Actual new thing
People were making dragon race requests before mop existed.
If they’re making it up as they go, there’s no particular reason to leave a group excluded. Dragons, the toughest mofos in most fantasy stories, can’t tank? C’mon.
If all you can do is insult people, we can be done because you must not have an actual argument.
from 2011 to now is a pretty broad net to throw, you looked up dragon race and less than half were about about a playable race. To get those results from that large of time scale tells me this isn’t that big a deal/ Sure people have wanted this, but to pretend this was some massive desire in the community is untrue. That also says nothing about a tank spec. People wanted a dragon race, they have it and now the complaints are about the role restriction