DF needs a smaller raid. Another 3 raid expansion like WOD or SL wouldn’t be great. Although, I will say that DF has a lot more to do outside of raids than WOD and SL do. The game shouldn’t be entirely focused on raids, and DF is a great step in that direction.
I would rather have more smaller raids than one gigantic one.
Twitter discussion is nearly dead. WoW forums aren’t nearly as active as they used to be. WoW Reddit can be a ghost town sometimes and I can hardly find groups in game for PvP. So I’m going to go out on a limb and say DF is losing players.
it’s considered mid. The changes they made to the game are pretty good, but the overall story etc…of the expansion is so boring and lame no one really cares about it which is why more people play classic WoW than retail these days. If the next expansion is also some boring mid Disney style story I’m going to go join them over there myself.
It’s not really that. Shadowlands lost everyone. WOW lost its top MMO spot. After all of the terrible things Activision Blizzard did and how BAD Shadowlands was, it was always going to be an uphill struggle to get players back. We can’t put this all on Dragonflight. Even though I’ve very much enjoyed this expansion since my return, I was really hesitant to come back after all of the bad (I did not want to give Blizzard money). The Microsoft acquisition and the big sale was the only thing that convinced me.
If WOW does redeem itself and recover, it’s going to take time. Even if DF was the best expansion in the history of WOW, it was not going to make the game recover all at once. For WOW to recover, it will take several very good expansions in a row.
That’s what I mean. My entire post was a sarcastic commentary on the forums. Because everyone seems to be miserable and complain about the most inconsequential things.
I’m not complaining about those things. I’m mocking the people who do.
Ps. Account shaming is beneath you. Be better.
Yup shadowlands did irreversible damage to the game but the same can be said about WoD too
Sensible viewpoint imo, as the depth of the hole blizz managed to dig itself is pretty impressive, and they aren’t coming out of that easily.
In a historical context, it’s about average. People always come here to complain, but compared to a year or so ago when all the fallout from the lawsuit, bowls of fruit, and dissatisfaction with Shadowlands, it’s pretty calm. It’s always the worst expansion ever to someone, but Dragonflight is generally doing better than at least the two chapters preceding it.
Yep…but WOD was the first time they REALLY dropped the ball, and people were willing to give them a second chance with how good Legion was.
BFA had many good points, but it had TERRIBLE systems that were not received well that drove people away. And then Shadowlands was the 1-2 knockout punch. And then we had all of the other stuff Blizzard did since 2018 that kept digging their hole deeper.
It’s going to take a lot more than one good expansion for WOW to recover at this point. They need to think of themselves as the underdog (because they are, FFXIV is way ahead), and not just “expect” players.
FFXIV proved that, given time and work, a failing MMO can not only recover but dominate (as it has for the past few years). Don’t get me wrong, I like FFXIV, its storytelling is leagues better than WOW, and it has a much larger variety of stuff to do. But its alt system is very grindy (you’re expected to do other jobs on your main character - but because you can’t do the quests again all you can do is grind). And the combat system is just nowhere near as polished as WOW (it’s gotten better, but I much prefer WOW’s combat).
For dungeons…they’re about the same, 6 of 1, half dozen of the other. FFXIV has the same “gogogogogo” problem WOW does, arguably worse there. Healing is MUCH better in WOW due to being able to use addons like Vuhdo.
For raids, WOW wins hands down, I just don’t find FFXIV raids very fun. Of course, endgame is not focused on raiding the way WOW is, and with such a large variety of stuff to do, it’s not as much of a hindrance as you might think.
That said, I do not enjoy FFXIV’s endgame. I play it like a single player game. Finish the current story, do all the dungeons/raids once to see the story, then take a break until there’s something new.
Just going tbh here, nothing much has really happened. DF doesn’t really offer anything new except dragon riding and some world events, but other than that, nothing has really changed.
As for me I hate WoW now. I thought i was going to enjoy DF, but after the first month of grinding and leveling, especially rep. I’ve officially hit the burn out.
I was really excited for the rock climbing and the photographer world quests. Idk they seemed like fun mindgames and then you do them once or twice and it feels like wasted potential
Dragonflight was like doing taxes but they had to get done. We had to save the dragons and help them revive their powers and stuff.
That’s epic! Love it! It reminds me so much of the cover art from the old ‘Unmasked’ album by KISS.