It's time to do something about CC (edited)

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Holy JESUS this got bites.

Guys, this post was in no way serious and was making fun of whiney challengers who don’t understand the game or how it’s played crying about how rogue, mage, paladin, warrior, or whatever other class is the reason they’re stuck at 1500.

I didn’t actually think so many of you would agree with me and this absolutely trash tier idea. I swear you all want arena to turn into pve fests of who can do their damage rotation the best. Next thing I know you’ll be advocating to remove pillars too.

If you found yourself agreeing with the original post below, please consider rethinking your stance and furthering your understanding of the game.

Original post begins here:

Let’s be honest, no one pays to play wow to not play wow, and that’s exactly what CC does. I queue vs rogue mage priest and I’m in CC for eons. Kidney shot, polymorph, mind control, all 3 times and then into SHADOWY DUEL, which should be classified as a CC DR itself.

Overabundance of CC contributes to the unskilled gameplay consistently seen from mage/rogue. It takes away all need to wisely use kicks, position well, and use cooldowns because the other players LITERALLY CANNOT PLAY THE GAME.

That’s why I’ve come to this solution.

Put all non-stun CC on the same DR.
Think about it, it makes sense. It’s clear Blizzard agrees this is the right direction, since they’ve already been doing it. They put cheapshot and kidney shot on the same DR, they put clone and fear on the same DR, and they decreased the duration of fear from 8 seconds to 6. Why have they taken so long to make the final step?

They had some really interesting ideas in legion with the concept of orc+relentless, and I’m not sure why they chose to go back on it. It allowed us to actually play the game and expose RMPs for the awful players they are. It’s a shame it was tied to a racial.

Let’s blow this up so we can get some attention to this problem and actually start enjoying the game again.

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only if they double intervenes duration

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You do realize that the MoP Ability prune is seen as one of the worst decisions Blizz have ever made?

The less CC you have in the game…the more the game turns into dota 2 or LoL style arena.

I think we need more CC in the game. I think we need more abilities in our toolkits.

I think if you keep combining other CC’s to more DR’s will make the game worse because it will reduce the amount of comps that will become viable.

I really resent the fact that Warr Moonkin isn’t an amazing comp because the warriors long CD intimidating roar fear…dr’s with my cyclone. The reason they initially put the DR with cyclone was because of LSD2 (Warlock Moonkin X)

I completely disagree and I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

CC is VERY important in arena. The skillcap involves being able to predict when CC will be used by opponents and also being able to choose what CC to use at the correct time on your opponents.

There isn’t an “Abundance” of CC atm. I think there is too little CC atm.

I have the exact opposite problem to you. I don’t get CC’d as much but I don’t have enough CC to properly peel my teammates against certain comps.

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CC is one of the least important issues right now. Burst healing and burst damage are way more pressing issues.

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Have you considered using another option like healing or positioning to ruin an enemy’s burst? I swear players like you have been on training wheels spamming CC spells for too long, you don’t even consider other possibilities. And I’M the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I guess I should listen to the hardstuck combatant boomy.

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Yeah fair enough rating bash me.

I’ve just come back to the game after a 3-4 year break. I’ve found that being 20 ilvls below competitive level has made it difficult to me to climb rating but I assure you, I will be much higher in a week or two.

I don’t consider myself to be a bad player. I used to be much higher rated in previous expansions when I had a larger toolkit. It just seems now that I don’t have as many options when it comes to peeling like I once did.

I think the reason for me losing my toolkit was partly because of these posts being made back in MoP and also being made currently.

I think it’s unhealthy for the game to put everything on DR’s with each other just so mongo cleave comps don’t feel like they are sitting in CC for very long.

I think ideally the situation we need is one where Blizzard encourage Caster/Melee/Healer comps rather than Caster/Caster/Healer or Melee/Melee/Healer comps.

Rating bash me though. All good. I once was a very good player and avid poster on these forums back in MoP but sadly the game has gone downhill since then from my point of view.

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Yeah I agree it’s beyond toxic at this point mage rogue is just unfun to play against, ccs need to be reviewed entirely

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Yeah sure bud, I’m as high as you on my priest alt I haven’t played in 3 years with 30 less ilvl that hit 60 last night.

Looking forward to the challenger push, good luck. Maybe queue with a mage and 1v3 your way there.

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I agree with everything this post has to say about the abundance CC in the game. It lowers the quality of gameplay. Less skill and more afking from poly’s and fears. amazed how spammable CC doesn’t have a cooldown.

Thank you for this refreshing post i might add. It’s pretty tiresome seeing nerf monk/mage/ret/convoke/x when this isnt the problem. the real problem is people having too much utility in general. This does not mean skillful gameplay. This just means that people can use these spammable save me buttons to prolong the game for undeserved win.

League doesnt have this and it’s booming

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I think we might disagree on some points, but I have to say I can’t believe I didn’t include short cooldowns on spammable CC. That really contributes to the toxic unplayability of “setup” comps. I’d say a 10 second cooldown on fear, cheapshot, cyclone, and polymorph would be a good start. I mean shamans have to talent into no CD hex, so what gives for the rest of the specs? Hunters have CD on trap.
Rogue/mage privilege I guess.

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give poly a cd

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Give cheap shot a CD and remove all CDR mechanics from the game :slight_smile:

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stop 10char

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You main a rogue. Is this a big troll or something?

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Hook line and sinker 🪝🎣

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Holy f is that Protoman?

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LOVE facing a monk/druid lol. disarm, ring of peace, ranged sap, stun, cyclone, roots, self heals, vortex, both of them can fly around the map no problem.

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All stuns should be capped at 4 seconds. All hard CC should be capped at 5 seconds. This alone would make the game feel better on the receiving end while still allowing nice CC chains.

I’d probably go a bit further and say that DR should go 100% - 50% - 0%. So stuns would be 4sec-2sec, and hard CC would be 5sec-2.5sec. Three same type CCs in a row is just lame.

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Stop it Pecklez, go away.

We don’t like non-KulTiran here.

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I agree that you should do something about CC, OP!

I recommend you start with keybinding your interrupt, spell reflect, intervene, grounding totem, etc etc etc

Next steps would be learning how to use focus frames, how to watch cast bars, and how to use pillars to LoS

You can take action today to reduce the amount of time that you spend in CC

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