Again. As I said, people cling to blizzard stubbornness for their reasoning behind the restrictions and they will maintain that opinion because they feel they are upholding a moral highground over people that criticize the issue. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
No, not by the same people. By plenty of unique people. Not to mention the amount of people that casually talk about how they would never play the class BECAUSE of dracthyr.
Yes there are lots of Evokers that enjoy being in dragon form always. No one is suggesting there arent. I am simply saying there are more people that desire to play in visage OR have more customization options like transmog/barbershop.
Most people do care, but its like barking at a brick wall so its not the topic of conversation 100% of the time. Just like the conversation for druids for damn near 15 years was asking for more forms and customizations.
I formed, like others, my opinion long before blizzards statement. Blizzard happened to go this route.
There is no moral high ground anyone is trying to uphold.
You brought it up if you’re mad at derailment look at yourself. I gave you the definitions that you told me to go look up. I’m sorry you were wrong but you cannot get mad at me for derailment because of it.
A lot of them are by the same people necroing threads of multiple years old.
That sucks I guess they missed out I feel sorry for them.
You can’t possibly have the data on that, good thing there are now 6 new classes they can be and do that in, just not evoker.
I agree, as I always have, give us access to more armor options, give us access to the full rgb scale, let us choose primary and tertiary colors.
Thank you for adding nothing to the conversation except to refute anything anyone says about your opinion of the class. So glad you were able to get stuck on semantics and being a contrarian. Maybe you should take a page out of your own book and maybe don’t contribute to conversations about topics you don’t agree with? I highly doubt you can do that though, you seem like the type of guy that needs to have the last word so I’ll let you have it.
Cause honestly…You really arent providing any substance to the post at all.
Preach brotha. I maybe see evokers in visage 15% of the time of all the times i see evokers which is very low. I only come out of dragon form when I mount up cuz I think its weird to see my wings while I’m mounted.
Most of his comments are him voicing his disagreement with what you say so I would have to disagree with you. Especially since its 100% on the topic you provided.
I honestly disagree with a lot you have to say as well, but I do agree that they should allow more transmog/customization. I am not a fan of the visage form in combat; at least for evokers. I also think that evoker was made purposefully to be the dragon class so changing it would just be distasteful for those who like actually being a dragon. I think it would be better to create a new spell caster with a similar style for those few who don’t like being a dragon. Then there are some who just don’t like the goofy bouncy running that the dracthyr have, which I can understand.
Now if we were to rewind and go back before the dracthyr evokers were made, I probably would’ve done things differently. I would’ve taken each dragonflight and made them specs of the Dragonmancer class(maybe a flashier name). Made it so any race could’ve been this class and that would allow those characters to take on dragon forms like the dracthyr.
But as you know they completely screwed themselves by taking the identity of the dracthyr and put it into the evoker class. It would be like if the identity of a worgen got its own class. Imagine a normal human (not werewolf form) leaping at someone and clawing them. It wouldn’t have the same effect as if they were a werewolf doing that.
Lmao I’m not looking for an echo chamber. I want Evoker to have more customization. I really don’t care if you don’t agree with it. But when you start to nitpick someone post over words and arguments that arent even related its kind of pointless.
If you enjoy dragon form, great. Does that mean that everyone else who plays the class agree with that? No they don’t. Just because a few people on the class forums think this should be a class that stays the way it is doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement. ESPECIALLY with how many new quality of life features being added to the game.
How is it a “Fundamental change” when many of the abilities we already cast can be used while in visage form? Why would it be different to have those same casts be done through a normal casting animation while in visage form?
Some people just simply enjoy playing with their transmogs, and to look how they want too. You can’t really blame people for having that opinion either because Blizzard could have easily not given us a visage form to begin with. It just makes people want what they feel like they should have.
“The deal”. What deal? They gave us a race and class combination and they didn’t bother to flesh it out. They had a very heavy pushback on the look for the race as well. I like the look of dracthyr. But I would love them way more if I could have armor on them.
Also, I have been bugged many times in visage form, which allowed me to use my abilities, and it didn’t look stupid at all. So again I don’t understand the hardheaded stance on allowing it.
What if soar abilities shifted you into Dracthyr form. But all other abilities still maintained visage form. Of course I mean if you toggle Visage form.
Or even, what if you wanted to do those abilities your wings appeared? Or what if for the breath abilities your dragon head appeared? There are so many ways that it could be cool and interesting yet no one even considers them.
i play toons on illidan sargeras and stormrage and i see alot of visage and when im in lfr stuff i only see wings and tail when its combat and the moment it ends i see it back to visage.
but how when it doesnt effect those who do like it. nobody is asking for all or nothing. well mordirhar is but nobody actually cares what he thinks
what are we gonna take a 1:1 copy of the class but not dragon form and call it evoker lite? cause ill back this just for the laughs and jokes.
no it wouldnt. ive gone years with me and my friend whos a bear tank and when we run keys were different pets every single run or murlocs. when i run keys with them i never see my cat form or their bear form. i dont even remember what skin there using.
I’ve literally only debated the points you have brought up. If you don’t like your own topics and points that’s on you. You ask me for definitions I get you those too, the substance of the argument is the back and forth dialog which I have provided. You on the other hand refuse to engage while using buzz words (with inaccurate definitions mind you) and strawman arguments.
You finding the conversation not substantive because the only substance you want is for me to change my opinion and suddenly agree with you and that won’t happen.
Sorry for the late response was busy with my job.
At the end of the day blizzard has stated that evokers are dragons first, not elves. You can play evoker but ya gotta be a dragon too. I do agree more customization is a must but that’s the most we should expect and ask for.