It is utterly insane that people with 485+ ilevel gear can come into a normal raid and roll Need on gear

[Flipznstuff-stormrage]

I know what you mean to a degree. But they were a part of the kill so they are entitled to the loot. This is why guilds are important when you raid.

[Défenseur-area-52]

Here’s da solution for ya bad juju: first be thankful dey be givin’ ya anyting at all! Long time ago ya met a group at the stone and be walkin’ in to da place. Now da Loa bestow upon ya da thrill of battle an’ ya don’t even need ta speak to your fellow heroes.

[Synshâ-stormrage]

“If I participated in the kill, then I deserve a chance at loot.”

That cuts both ways… Players used this as a rallying cry to fight against the “corrupt MLs” during the PL vs ML discussions.

Well if someone just hard carried (or at minimum made the fight significantly easier) your rear through a fight… They sure as heck deserve a chance to roll on the loot.

[Cowvenent-area-52]

@Synshâ-stormrage

“If I participated in the kill, then I deserve a chance at loot.”

But we can also show this is false (I know you’re not necessarily advocating this, just as a point).

If no gear drops that I can equip, why can’t I need on it? I deserve the moneyz. I participated in the kill.

[Synshâ-stormrage]

Lol… can you imagine the tears that would flow if we could all just free roll on all gear…

[Snozdotz-area-52]

@Helene-cairne

It makes absolutely no sense that a person with a 486 BIS crafted cloak can come into a normal raid and roll need on a 454 cloak. Or that a person with a 489 M+ 1H can roll need on a 457 1H INT dagger.

Yes it does. They were there for the kill and they have the ability to roll.

Why is this so hard to understand

@Helene-cairne

I’ve tried to avoid posting here with ‘axes to grind’ but this is just stupid. Personal Loot often sucked but it feels a hell of a lot better to just not get an item, over losing an item I need to someone that already has something vastly better

PL doesn’t change this at all. How about instead of being salty someone won a roll you learn how the loot systems actually work.

@Helene-cairne

Dragonflight has emerged as a surprisingly great expansion, but bringing back Group Loot was a massively dumb decision, made by people who either don’t have a clue what it’s like to run in PuGs or don’t care I about those of us who do. And it is infuriating.

Actually it was a great decision considering Pl was being removed either way.

[Cowvenent-area-52]

I would actually prefer that, because at least it would be less confusion about who “should” or “should not” do what.

I may be different in that regard though, lol.

[Audreeana-hydraxis]

@Synshâ-stormrage

Lol… can you imagine the tears that would flow if we could all just free roll on all gear…

Hunter Weapon

[Rayzens-stormscale]

@Trustlvlfour-zuljin

Rolling need to DE it for mats is also a perfectly legitimate reason to farm gear too

Need 200 of those epic crystals for the lego when it drops… it’s 300g+ a pop so 60k+ gold for that alone.
You bet yer dinars i’ll roll need!

I won’t for that specific reason, but still…

[Selura-area-52]

And we started another thread while we already have an active thread called.

I do not understand how people roll need when wearing more powerful gear

Not necessarily. It only shows that Blizzard has determined that the item is an upgrade. We have to separate out the “combat upgrade” from the “moggability” (is that a word?) because with most things, they are intermingled. But with an item that provides no main stat for a spec, this option is not available. So an upgrade is (apparently, according to Blizzard’s rules) something that has a main stat on it that matches the loot spec’s main stat, in the case where any main stat is present. Again…

[Cowvenent-area-52]

Yep, it’s the song that never ends

[Daarrk-thrall]

@Zoumz-zuljin

The same problems would have happened with personnal loot if not worse as there was no restriction on “rolling” with personnal loot.

Slight difference mate, between personal loot/ trading and rolling need on everything with the intention to sell.

[Rayzens-stormscale]

@Madragga-stonemaul

Greed. When poor newbs want gear.

They can get LFR type gear in the world though?
Who’s gonna pay me gold?

[Rayzens-stormscale]

Sure it is… if i want to make that lego i’ll need to pay gold (once it drops).

Pay me… 600g per drop and i’ll give it.

[Lightstrider-benediction]

@Helene-cairne

I get that the mogs are desireable, but it is a failure of game design on Blizzard’s part that people with gear that high can win rolls on stuff in a normal raid over people who need the gear as actual upgrades.

If you want upgrades you should join a guild and stop pugging

[Avyh-area-52]

Make your own raid and only invite people under a certain ilvl.

[Kozzie-malganis]

maybe they want the tmog…

[Ismeldei-sargeras]

“If you liked it then you should of rolled need on it!” If you know you know

[Merpish-sargeras]

Yes but, I need it for transmog.

[Rayzens-stormscale]

@Madragga-stonemaul

I wont pay such amount to cater to greed

But you will take 300-600g from me? Because that’s what the potential drop can give when disenchanting.

You’re the greedy one here.