It is time to give us hard dungeons that have nothing to do with time

[Caithyra-stormrage]

M+ is literally the only way you keep dungeons relevant because you can constantly turn up the difficulty setting

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Abombination-kurinnaxx

@Argorwal-ysera

So I’m curious where your “metrics” come from.

I got the metrics from Bellular news that M+ participation is lower in 9.1 then the last season of BFA which is a big yikes. It’s not hard to believe since SL has the biggest player loss of any expansion. Also 9.1 just didn’t bring the players back as it’s kinda a void lack luster patch that is just 9.0 with extra steps. They didn’t resolve any of the major system issues.

That’s interesting considering raider.io tracks unique characters and shadowlands s1, and BFA seasons 3 and 4 all had comparable lengths.

With SL having over 8 million.

BFA4 having 7.6 million

And BFA s3 having 4.2 million.

BFA season 4 was the highest mythic+ participation ever until shadowlands. It dwarfed legion participation.

We are about a month into s2 and it’s at 1.9 million.

[Ithutar-area-52]

I remember back when finishing certain dungeons was an accomplishment in itself and difficulty didn’t matter like that.