It is time to give the Alliance actual playable High Elves!

You keep saying/complaining that Void Elves have two themes, VE and HE.

I’ll let you guess why.:upside_down_face:

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If Void elves had any sort of meaningful footprint in WoW I would agree, but they don’t and they won’t, because they were created for the sole purpose, of trying to give the Alliance their High Elves, only now are they correcting their mistake.

The mistake was creating Void Elves out of Blood Elves, they should of done it from High Elves and dealt with the fallout, or actually had worked on a unique model for High Elves as to not take the blood elf rig.

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It was a mistake putting the Blood Elves on Horde in the first place too.

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Those are literally High Elves that renamed themselves Blood Elves to honor their fallen family and friends to the Scourge, you moldy doorknob.

Calling yourself something different doesn’t alter your biology.

A group of humans could start calling themselves “numans”. That doesn’t make them different than humans…

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Are you seriously alt hopping to like your own post?

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Agreed, cramming all the high elf options into the void elf race was a bad idea.
It really needs to be it’s own thing.

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I agree alliance high elves should have remained as NPCs since the race already exists in the horde. Additional void options should have been give instead of normal options. Now you have a race with no real identity.

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No.

NEXT!

Semper Fi! :us:

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San’layn have nothing to do with Sylvanas, perhaps you’re thinking of Dark Rangers? The San’layn, or Darkfallen, were Sin’dorei followers of Kael’thas that went with him to Northrend to support Illidan’s assault on the Frozen Throne, died there, and then were raised by Arthas to serve him as Lich King. Dark Rangers are undead Quel’dorei rangers (not Sin’dorei, they’re the dead High Elves the name change is meant to honor), who were killed in the Scourge assault on Quel’Thalas and then raised, mostly as banshees, by Arthas, before breaking free of the Lich King’s control and following Sylvanas’ leadership along with the rest of the Forsaken. There’s only one exception I know of who was killed by Arthas and then later raised by Sylvanas, and that’s Velonara. Moreover, not all the Quel’dorei rangers who were killed and then raised became dark rangers; some, like Thalanor and (possibly) Koltira, became death knights instead. To make things even more confusing, some San’layn are also death knights, but not all Thalassian death knights are San’layn, nor are all undead Sin’dorei San’layn.

Tl;dr: there are many different types of undead Thalassians in this game. Honestly, given how many there are and how many died in the Scourge invasion, I wouldn’t be completely surprised if the undead elven “survivors” of the Third War outnumber their living kin.

There’s one significant hurdle here: the royal family of Stromgarde still exists, in the form of Danath Trollbane, who was one of the Arathi warfront leaders, and Shadows Rising implies that he has since taken up leadership of Stromgarde, whether or not he’s claimed the throne officially. Any future version of the Kingdom of Stromgarde is therefore likely to be human-led, with Danath as the monarch and populated by living human survivors who fled previous turmoil in the city. It might be suitable place for Half Elves to live, but they wouldn’t rule it.

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I know you try hard to defend the dignity of the Blood Elf players but don’t undermine the mirroring themes of both elf sides.

You are alone with this. Not only would this open an extreme can of worms (where is my human x pandaren or orc x vulpera halfbreed?), it would be also a logistical nightmare to get this done. Besides, the Half Elves would look like this Half Elf Paladin on the Alliance side who is just a Blood Elf model.

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I meant to include you in my post a little while ago in this thread. I’m on the Half Elf train, thanks to you. I think they’d be the best route forward for the remaining High Elves. Half Elves in WoW have several established generations already, they outnumber High Elves, and going by a new Elven name that honors both their High Elf / Human heritage and the culture they’ve developed over the past 10+ generations would give them a nice head start.

Crap, I did miss that entirely. It’d be nice if they had a friendly place to stay, but I really want them to have their own holdings, to truly legitimize them in everyone’s eyes.

What about Dun Garok? I know the dwarves there were killed, so Half Elves and the Wildhammers could clear out any undead, settle there and then use it as a staging ground for an assault on Gilneas with the Worgen and Darnassian refugees.

If that doesn’t work, are there any places you think they could take over?

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Oh no my friend, Blizzard took care of this themselves, ages ago. High Elves and Humans had the attraction and the ability to procreate, but the racists and purists in the High Elves disliked it (those are virtually all Blood Elves now). Blood Elves acknowledge Half Elves, but consider them lessers. Alliance High Elves don’t hold to that, and you could have a story of one who openly discusses the matter and tries to mend fences.

Half Elves in WoW have been around for several generations, and they’ve procreated with themselves since that time. There’s over 10k of them. And, as for the other races, there are half orcs, but there are fewer of them than High Elves. Half Draenei may as well be unicorns IRL. The other races are either incompatible or haven’t been around one another long enough to bear fruit.

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Building up Quel Danil Lodge would probably be the best bet. They have neighboring allies in the Wildhammer Dwarves as well as a presence of Draenei who have settled in with them.

I also read your posts regarding Half Elf population, and wanted to add another good place for Half Elves to originate from would actually be Dalaran.

We know all the way back to the first Guardian, Alodi that Half Elves have existed in Dalaran as they are likely more welcome there than they were in Quel’thalas, especially today with Quel’thalas being Horde territory.

The High Elves of Dalaran have lived with Humans for thousands of years, so mixed lineage is going to be the most prevalent there out of anywhere.

We also have examples as recent as Vereesa and Rhonins children. Even Kael’thas attempted to court Jaina.

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Love it, love all of it! Ok, I totally forgot about Dalaran. I can’t recall the number in Dalaran, but add them to the group of Half Elves Stormwind of 10k, and it would be a respectable population of Half Elves on its own. Let’s add more.

The High Elves of Dalaran and Stormwind should number about 600 souls, give or take. Leave membership open for other High Elf Wayfarers to join if they wish. Then add humans that either want to live in a Half Elven kingdom, along with humans who are quarter or 1/8th Elven. I think altogether, a High Elven kingdom made of this group would fairly significant, enough to field an army all their own.

With that many people though, should they live in Dalaran, or Old Dalaran? Couldn’t they do something with the crater and the shield, since it’s still Alliance owned? Hell, 10.0 could focus on us building their new city fortress right there, and I’d be happy. Fixing the Alliance, and plenty of PvP nearby.

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Sorry, but not sorry, but you’re entirely incorrect on this. The only Half Elves we know off are Vareesa and Alleria Windrunners children. There is no other. So to state that there is more Half Elves than High Elves is entirely false.

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I don’t really know a ton about other old Alliance locations and their current lore, so I’m afraid I’m not much help on that front. I just know about Stromgarde because both it and the Trollbane family have made more recent appearances in both Legion and BfA thanks to the death knight order hall and the Arathi warfront, and I’m a bit of a death knight geek despite my main being a mage. I don’t think Dun Garok has been mentioned since Cata, so maybe? I’m not sure what the actual lore state of Gilneas is at the moment, as BfA mission table quests and info about the Arathi warfront from BlizzCon referred to both fighting between the Horde and the Gilneans in the city, as well as the Horde wanting to win Stromgarde in order to use it as a launching point to attack Gilneas, thus implying that the Horde didn’t have a strong hold of it in BfA. Personally, I’d rather see the Horde abandon any presence it might still have in Gilneas as part of peace negotiations with the Alliance, rather than continue to waste resources on it. It no longer holds the strategic value that was used to justify invading it (adding a major port to Forsaken-controlled territory), and with Sylvanas out of the Horde there aren’t any Horde racial leaders left that have any particular interest in holding Gilneas or fighting with Greymane.

You say that, but keep in mind that not only are orcs and draenei able to produce children together despite being from completely different planets, but until they officially retcon out Med’an completely, such hybrids are also evidently able to produce offspring with humans. Half Elves themselves shouldn’t exist either, given the different origins of their parents’ species, and yet they do. There don’t seem to be any strict biology rules about which races can or can’t procreate with each other.

The only living Half Elves that are named characters are the Windrunner kids, but Half Elves as an idea have existed for at least a few thousand years. Alodi, the first Guardian of Tirisfal, was a Half Elf. I don’t know if there are more of them than there are living High Elves, but there’s evidently enough of them that Kalecgos thinks appearing to be one isn’t particularly remarkable.

I’m pretty sure I’ve gathered this from the lore that Blizzard still considers canon. There are several thousand Half Elves in existence. Arator, the twins who I can never remember the name of, are just the famous ones. Unnamed Half Elves either hide as humans, or go somewhere nobody will care that they’re Half Elves (Stormwind).

Also, Hypheria reminded me of the ones in Dalaran. And finally, there are Half Elves in Azeroth that find and chose other Half Elves to breed with because of racism around them.

There are less than 1,500 elves that still call themselves High Elves. Half Elves would outnumber High Elves.

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Well, I was talking about todays timeline.

And Kalecgos just loves being in a Half Elf form. It isn’t his true form.

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I’m glad to have contributed by mentioning Dalaran :hugs:

The numbers you’re quoting do seem to be those from the Warcraft RPG guides, which Blizzard has declared non canon I’m afraid, so I must caution you when it comes to citing these numbers.

Population has unfortunately always been pretty fickle otherwise.

Bringing Dalaran home to it’s original location I feel like would make sense and indeed could serve as the main population center to both Half and High Elves.

It looks so pretty :heart_eyes:

I do also still like the idea of building up Quel Danil as a Half/High Elven settlement.

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Yes, Kalecgos isn’t really a Half Elf, but he seems to think that looking like one is a decent way to hide that he’s actually a dragon, which would imply that there’s more than three of them in existence. Then again, Kalecgos also fell in love with the actual Sunwell that one time, so his perception of reality might not be the most reliable.

At the very least, romance between an elf and a human isn’t exclusive to the Windrunner sisters, even if they are the most obvious examples of it. There’s at least one implied couple in Dalaran, running the Legerdemain Lounge.

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