It is Time to Ban WoW Addons

[Beki-dalaran]

@Arazaler-area-52

The solution to this problem will always remain telling blizzard to change the way they design things, addons or not, if they don’t change the way they design things nothing will change. So if you want to solve the problem you need to tell blizzard to act like addons don’t exist when they design systems and encounters. Banning addons just harms the players and doesn’t solve the issue.

This is very true, and I agree with you.

[Calistrian-garrosh]

Because seemingly everyone but the mods around here knows a troll when they see it

[Ayukama-frostmourne]

@Calistrian-garrosh

Because seemingly everyone but the mods around here knows a troll when they see it

[Azulhota-garrosh]

@Drachkin-thrall

It just skips a step of figuring it out

That takes the joy out of pvp. Not to mention that theres a score bpard that shows you the classes as you play.

[Brugarus-arthas]

If you don’t like add-ons then don’t use them nobody is forcing you. For example I stop using DBM once I figured out all of the raid mechanics and I have to say I haven’t had DBM on this whole patch that’s how easy the raid is it’s very simple mechanics. I haven’t had this much fun since I was pugging Nighthold in legion. But if the Add-ons and raids are affecting your perception of the game maybe just take a little break moderation is key.

[Drachkin-thrall]

@Azulhota-garrosh

That takes the joy out of pvp. Not to mention that theres a score bpard that shows you the classes as you play.

Removing a step takes the fun out of PvP ?

[Azulhota-garrosh]

@Brugarus-arthas

If you don’t like add-ons then don’t use them nobody is forcing you. For example I stop using DBM once I figured out all of the raid mechanics and I have to say I haven’t had DBM on this whole patch that’s how easy the raid is it’s very simple mechanics. I haven’t had this much fun since I was pugging Nighthold in legion. But if the Add-ons and raids are affecting your perception of the game maybe just take a little break moderation is key

Whole facts.
I dont even use any pvp addons or pve. But a few select ones for a spice of life, like trp3.
Main point this whole post is about, is a consern for new player getting force to get addons. I was getting yelled at to get some to help with pve stuff.

[Azulhota-garrosh]

That addon is telling you how to play… By telling you what people are in pvp when you can check the score board.

Or is it one that tell you what itemlvl people are which make them an easy target.

[Drachkin-thrall]

All of which can be gained from in game information.

It’s not telling you how to play any more than looking up those things yourself is telling you how to play

[Ixenn-area-52]

@Valtorus-stormrage

And some people don’t want to bother with addons, so that creates a barrier for those players, and they most likely leave the game.

99% of the player base wouldn’t touch Mythic even if it was toned down with the expectations of players not having any addons. They’re still hard encounters that requires good communication and sharp decision making.

@Valtorus-stormrage

Stop getting offended someone said the truth,

I’m not. You are.

@Ixenn-area-52

The only reason people want addons banned is because they’re deluded into thinking it is the thing holding them back

Proceed to have someone tell me addons are the barrier blocking them from Mythic raiding?

[Raizul-blackwater-raiders]

@Beki-dalaran

but also a competition of which guild can write best codes and addon

Is this a thing? If so, cite a source

@Beki-dalaran

One of the big reason is the addon. Ion said in previous interview, Blizzard has to make the encounters harder and harder, because combat addons are more and more intelligent. This is just a vicious circle.

Post the interview

@Beki-dalaran

Players shall not be dependant on third party addons to play a game. Basic addons like UI customization, damage meter, coord, should be integrated in the game itself

If you spend your life chasing what “should” be, you’ll never be successful. People who frequently use phrases like “what should be” rarely possess the conviction for “doing”, but instead use it as a deflection to redirect blame elsewhere, rather than take personal responsibility for their own self.

@Beki-dalaran

The Overwolf and WoWup issue shows again how messy third parties are, from curse to twitch to wowup to overwolf to whatever in the future. Players don’t deserve this.

WTF folder exists, and it’s easily accessible. How do you think we managed addons before Curseforge?

@Beki-dalaran

It is great that you make a career and money from making useful addons. But for the greater good of the game and players, this has to stop.

I’m not sure why this was a bullet point since this is just speculation and opinion.

There, I read your OP. Post sources, and maybe people will take you seriously. Otherwise, you’re nothing more than a petulant child that hasn’t learned that not everyone’s opinion gets a participation trophy.

[Beki-dalaran]

@Motorz-emerald-dream

@Beki-dalaran

In sum, it is time to improve wow default settings and ban ALL addons.

LOL, no. Good luck with that. Blizzards standard UI and their long history of NOT updating the UI with basic functionality that should have been added 15 years ago means Addon’s will be a must for the entirety of the games lifespan.

Just as an example, Healbot as an addon just makes the game and playing a healer so incredibly more enjoyable and BASICALLY FUNCTIONAL it’s ridiculous. That the game hasn’t added the functionality of something like Healbot to improve basic healer functionality over the history of the game…yea it’s criminal.

So no, addon’s are not going anywhere because Blizzard does not improve the UI to make the game function optimally AT ALL and so addons are required to play the game well. The information and gameplay that addon’s bring functionally makes the game work, without them it would be akin to going from using macro’s and an MMO mouse etc. etc. etc. to being a clicker.

No one wants that.

I agree with that the default UI sucks for healers. and it shall be improved.

I remember Blizzard added “click cast” in Shadowlands, but it is very bad and not near enough. It is like what you said “Ridiculous”.

But since most healers are using healing addons, there is no urge for Blizzard to improve, because 3rd parties do the job for them.

It took them more than 15 years just to improve simple things like action bar and bag UI. Why? because addons are allowed.

I want to refer to this video again:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LuAty-FbTkM

An interview with DBM author. He says he is basically the sole maintainer of DBM since Lich King.

Do people think a company like Blizzard with thousands of employees can’t even have 1 person to implement similar function? Ofc Blizzard shall not directly implement something like DBM to counter its own fights. But they shall improve its fight design with clearer information: better visual, color, timer, etc. so combat addons are not needed.

People saying devs have no time to do that and shall only focus on content, is just finding excuses for Blizzard.

If Blizzard can make addons and sell them in stores like mounts, pets and transmog, those functions will be in the game next week.

Why don’t they do it? because they can’t sell it for profit and 3rd parties are doing it for them for free.

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

[Attimis-moon-guard]

Nice. My post got flagged — for the extremely based argument that the community doesn’t like addons. And perhaps never gave them a try.

This thread CANNOT be any more bogus.

[Raizul-blackwater-raiders]

@Beki-dalaran

But since most healers are using healing addons, there is no urge for Blizzard to improve, because 3rd parties do the job for them.

Overgeneralization. Most advanced healers I know use better macros, not Healtbot. See the difference in using personal knowledge vs a gross generalization?

@Beki-dalaran

It took them more than 15 years just to improve simple things like action bar and bag UI. Why? because addons are allowed.

Speculation based on nothing but opinion

@Beki-dalaran

Why don’t they do it? because they can’t sell it for profit and 3rd parties are doing it for them for free

Yes, as I stated before, addons are like free testing for the devs on certain aspects of UI management. The game is completely playable for most people without addons. If you’re the 1% pushing intense keys or mythic raiding, I can see an argument. Based on things you’ve stated, this isn’t you.

EDIT: Still waiting for you to post actual links on data+ the interviews. You’ve been putting so much time and effort into this thread that you cannot state you “don’t have the time” for it.

[Beki-dalaran]

I agree with all you said, except

@Pesa-zangarmarsh

Removing addons removes our ability as players to compensate where these design considerations have been lost. And this is no blame on Blizzard, actually – the game is hugely complex and nobody can do this perfectly. But the open-source nature of addons allows us as a community to essentially help develop the game.

The blame is on Blizzard. The game’s deisgn problem can only be blamed on the game’s designer.

We can’t blame addon creators or players, but only Blizzard.

[Guldanish-shadowstrike]

[Attimis-moon-guard]

@Beki-dalaran

The blame is on Blizzard.

Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. There are a plethora of other factors that contribute to the game’s faulty design.

And lo and behold, the playerbase is part of it.

[Beki-dalaran]

@Raizul-blackwater-raiders

EDIT: Still waiting for you to post actual links on data+ the interviews. You’ve been putting so much time and effort into this thread that you cannot state you “don’t have the time” for it.

The link for the interview is in my post. I wonder if you even read a post before your reply.

I do have time. I just don’t have time for people being aggressive for no reasons.

[Raizul-blackwater-raiders]

@Beki-dalaran

I do have time. I just don’t have time for people being aggressive for no reasons.

@Raizul-blackwater-raiders

@Beki-dalaran

but also a competition of which guild can write best codes and addon

Is this a thing? If so, cite a source

@Raizul-blackwater-raiders

@Beki-dalaran

One of the big reason is the addon. Ion said in previous interview, Blizzard has to make the encounters harder and harder, because combat addons are more and more intelligent. This is just a vicious circle.

Post the interview

Questioning is being aggressive? Just answer the simple questions.

@Beki-dalaran

The link for the interview is in my post. I wonder if you even read a post before your reply

@Beki-dalaran

Addons have been a big part of WoW since the beginning. But it is time for us to look into its negative impacts.

1. For hardcores

The recent WF races are no longer just a competition of game skills, but also a competition of which guild can write best codes and addons. RWF is in game and irl gold sink. It is working a full time job instead of a playing a game.

It is not surprising at all that more and more hardcore raiding guilds stopped or disbanded. And this trend will continue.

2. For casuals

I agree with some have said already: raiding is too hard. It is already hard to find people, form a group and organise a raid for casuals. Then the raids are significantly harder and harder over the years. It is just not fun for casual raiding.

One of the big reason is the addon. Ion said in previous interview, Blizzard has to make the encounters harder and harder, because combat addons are more and more intelligent. This is just a vicious circle.

3. For Blizzard

Players shall not be dependant on third party addons to play a game. Basic addons like UI customization, damage meter, coord, should be integrated in the game itself.

Blizzard’s decision to add voice chat, UI, mouse over, M+ rating, item level, etc. is a good direction. But it is not enough. We need more basic functions included in default settings.

And the removal of combat addons like DBM will certainly make encounter design more creative.

4. For everyone

Nobody loves to download, upgrade, set their addons all the time on every computer he plays WoW. It is just a hassel and it shold not be necessary.

The Overwolf and WoWup issue shows again how messy third parties are, from curse to twitch to wowup to overwolf to whatever in the future. Players don’t deserve this.

5. For addon developers

It is great that you make a career and money from making useful addons. But for the greater good of the game and players, this has to stop.

In sum, it is time to improve wow default settings and ban ALL addons.

Where? Or are you referring to the YouTube short of ASMONGOLD with a dev from DBM. Both of which have nothing to do with what I’ve questioned regarding proof of claims in the OP.