Just gotta say that even when I was a high elf fan I was treated nicely in the anti discord, and while there are nice helfers out there, quite a few have taken the side of a person who harassed me and some have dropped real life info intentionally.
Some of the helfers who took the side of my harasser I had thought were friends, but apparently they were not. I have disagreed with a lot of people in the anti discord at various points but they always have my back. So no, I don’t feel like those who are opposed to high elves or to void elves having paladins are just as bad as those who want them.
edit - You guys are transparent af, and like I said from where I’m sitting it’s just super amusing to see you guys condescend the other side of the coin. That’s really all I have to say.
More class/race combos are a good thing for the game.
this is the problem: the devs have said they are gonna try to give all races most classes. so as a wow player, i think what classes would i like to play on my available characters, which are mostly nelves, nightborne, velves, belves, a couple gnomes, and a few humans.
i have often argued in favor of blood elf druids, blood elf dark rangers and blood elf san’layn, but i’ve also argued in favor of velf/helf paladins/voidadins, not because i would necessarily play a belf dark ranger, belf san’layn or velf/helf paladin, but because many people would and happy people is good. i’d play a belf or velf/helf druid, though. yeppers i would.
This is just evidence that Blizzard needs to be clearer with their writing. A magic systems inner workings should be very important to go in-depth about but they’ve never really done this. Chronicle is really surface level.
As someone who actually mains a Blood Elf and a Paladin on a RP server, I disagree. But you don’t understand because you’re an alliance main on a non-rp server and the Anti-Belf high elf for alliance movement benefits you. It doesn’t benefit Blood Elves. At all.
Good thing the Alliance is a dead faction. Lol.
Good to know that graciousness, patience, empathy, and thankfulness aren’t human traits and I’m thus not human.
I checked the race selection screen—I could not find a “high elf” entry.
Let’s see, we lost our entire racial identity to alliance players who can’t seem to accept any lore post WC2, we had our customization pass shared with those people resulting in that loss of identity. We cannot make our characters look like our leaders unlike our alliance clone who can and keeps demanding more and more including our capital city even after they got a second customization pass when no one else did. And we get… checks notes a small quest chain with some items that work across all races and factions. I guess maybe that’s the devs trying to make up for how badly we got done dirty. The armor we are getting doesn’t even have the right color jewels.
We got a heritage quest that was mostly just about Sylvanas which is okay. The last time we had a zone dedicated to our lore was… The Sunwell patch.
Looks at the entire Tauren zone in Legion.
More lore attention. Right…
Not really.
Blood Elf fans want a distinct identity and options that will make and keep us distinct.
High Elf fans want literally everything Blood Elves have.
There’s no way to know.
Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t know that this isn’t an RPG.
Why should my roleplay have to suffer from lore being completely destroyed so you, someone not on a RP server can have the real thing?
Why is your experience so much more important than mine?
You’re not the only high elf fan who has made that ridiculous demand.
And I do want your character to be two-shot by the guards as it should be.
Yet, people still demand more.
Roleplay addons give the tools for this.
Turning purple isn’t “slightly different” it’s a huge mutation. Different factions should mean different aesthetic. Why can’t Blood Elves have anything that’s just distinct to us?
Blood Elves have gotten nothing of significance in return for the visual identity we lost. No hairstyles. No hair colors. No facial hair styles. Nothing.
It wouldn’t be nice to erase the only thing that makes either race interesting in favor of a snorefest.
Given the real high elves were renamed to honor their massacred kin, someone calling themselves a “high elf” in Quel’thalas is basically saying that they don’t honor the fallen. That’s a bit like desecrating a mass grave site in front of all the families of the fallen.
At minimum that would warrant a beatdown, at worst, I could see Sin’dorei putting heads on pikes.
They’re literally exiled.
I don’t. I wish for Blood Elves and paladin lore to be left alone.
Why is your wish more important than mine?
I don’t do quid pro quo. I still wish for Blood Elves and paladin lore to be left alone.
Yes. Yes. I’m pretty sure it’s in several lore sources and they have been listed over and over and over again in all these spammy void elf paladin threads.
The problem is a little bit for alliance Thalassians comes at the expense of the little bit for Blood Elves. I’m fed up with the take take take and nothing in return.
People who like high elves and accept lore just play Blood Elves. People who hate Blood Elves because they joined the wrong/savage/ugly/impure/tribal/“evil”/“monster race” faction are the ones demanding high elves for the alliance.
I view them as diametrically opposed forces. What’s good for the high elf for alliance player is bad for the Blood Elf fan. Case in point, what benefit have Blood Elf fans reaped from losing our visual identity? Nothing.
But what you want comes at my expense. This is also a fact.
Why are your wants more important than mine?
Total RP 3 exists for those cringe fringe impossibilities and they aren’t forced into others, harming their experience for your enjoyment.
Again.
Why are the likes and wants of melancholy-deathwing more important than zandrae-wyrmrest-accord?
*A part
Visual identity is important. Everyone else has one. I even saw a panda talking about being able to tell pandas apart by faction. Blood Elves won’t even have that luxury if you get your way.
Some of us are adults that understand that things have limits and moderation and patience.
You mean the two NPCs that basically weren’t lore checked in wrath. They don’t imply a cultural affinity towards Paladins which is brought up when Anti-Belfers demand Paladins for their race fantasy.
Why would the silver hand allow corrupted void monsters into their clubhouse when they fought against the death knights coming in?
Only the NPCs in the velf zone have mana. I’m told this is a quirk of the engine.
They also don’t have abilities.
The only one who does have abilities doesn’t have mana and has renamed warrior abilities. You can look it up on wowhead.
Disagreed. Void Elves have enough until everyone else gets a second and third past. It’s time for void elves to be last in line for once.
What you want comes at the Blood Elf expense. So yes, it is a versus.
i dont, although having a real series of starting zones and home city, like they use to do for new playables, would be nice, i know thats not gonna happen. i dont want silvermoon though.
just out of curiosity, is paladin the only class you dont want to share?
No, they had primitive Nature users, who forcibly twisted Arcane with Nature to find more powerful magic. They are retconned out of existence, because they were never actually Druids and corrupted Nature for more power.
Gilneans weren’t Druids until the Scythe connected them to the Dream. Harvest Witches were primitive Nature users, who used Nature to make crops grow.
I want a lot of things I may not necessarily play as well, but I personally tend not to be a fan of every class for every race. I don’t think classes should be as limited as demon hunter and evokers, but I feel that some classes not fitting some races is fine.
I think races that make the most sense for additional pallies alliance side would be night elves, and probably gnomes, maybe kul’tiran as well (if they don’t have them already, but I think they don’t). For void elves to have them it would need to be a class skin, and as neat as class skins would be I don’t think blizzard will do it.
Again, their big announcement for the expac was a new class, but only the new race can be it, and a new race that can only play the new class. With that little effort being put in after they did less than the bare minimum for many races in an expansion that was advertised as a customization expac I wouldn’t hold my breath on something like class skins.
I really want belf druids, but I think the horde race most likely to get druids would be vulpera, and it makes sense and that’s fine. Velf pallies wouldn’t make sense as the race and class are now. Void elves, even the ones that don’t have void options, get sass just for being in the stormwind cathedral. I really don’t think they should get pallies.
it just stretches credibility that races who fight alongside each other would refuse to teach each other their magic or combat school, if interested. the big deterents such as metal bodies, undead bodies or void infestations, pose a particularly difficult hurdle but i think such things could be resolved under the right circumstances, such as tech or some other workaround or simply as an approximation, meaning they arent pulling from the same school but they play the same . for example a mechagnome transformer type druid – they aren’t druids, they dont do the emerald dream nor use the same school of magic but they approximate the playstyle of the druid class.
I think you are just too sensitive, I’ve never seen someone get so upset over someone saying bargain bin Blood Elves but okay then, also for future references don’t bother replying to me because it’s pointless and I don’t need the whole everyone is awful except for me because I don’t like what they say.
Listen, I said I was amused by your condescension of other users on these forums. I think you’re projecting your sensitivity on me, considering how fast you clutched your pearls at that.
You can continue to attempt to strawman my position on it, but the fact of the matter is that it’s really funny to me that you would refer to a group of forum users as “undesirables”.
The cringe hurts so good.
If you take anything away - please let it be that I’m not upset at all. I’m genuinely entertained by your lack of self awareness.
My original reply said I ignore undesirables including you, which I’m about to do since you won’t stop replying to me, I know it’s hard for people like you to just ignore people because you want to carry on and on and on and pretend like you are being victimized because someone doesn’t agree with you 100% of the time but really give it a rest.
You don’t know me as much as you think you do. You made A LOT of assumptions.
I come up with backstories for EVERY single one of my characters. I regret not starting on an RP server I just picked the server the person who got me into WoW was on. It’s too expensive for me to bother transfering all my chars to an RP server. I may have mained an alliance in 9.0 but I am bifactional and my main has been horde more than alliance. Horde main in tbc, wrath, ally in cata, horde in mop, half of wod, and the other half ally, legion was pretty split, bfa was horde.
I play blood elves, I play void elves. My main was a blood elf for awhile In MoP. Void elves and Blood elves could both get more things. Should be things for high elf enjoyers and blood elf enjoyers. Void elf paladins are neutral to blood elves. It doesn’t hurt or benefit them.
I am glad they are slowly tearing down the faction barrier.
Yes those are all human traits too. I have previously express my gratitude for increased customisation of void elves and other races. I patiently waited for my most requested class in the game (demon hunter) from the time I started until they were finally added in legion. the void elf things I’d like to see I’m willing to wait for I just like to see. I have been very empathetic with you. I understand your frustrations and I believe blood elves could get more as well. I am thankful for what we have but I do desire more and there is nothing wrong with that.
No but blizzard did say the “natural” skin tones for the void elves were for people who want high elves on alliance. I don’t really feel like a whole separate high elf race is needed because it’s redundant at this point.
How did you lose your racial identity? Nothing was lost. Do you mean because alliance has blood elf models now? That has nothing to do with racial identity. You are still blood elves. Still the survivors of a genocide against your people that literally decimated your numbers. You still used dark magics to survive until the sunwell could be restored. You still found faith in the light with a restored sunwell. You are still a strong and powerful ally of the horde. You still get plenty of screen time. You are about to get yet a new quest line.
What? I certainly can’t have tattoos like Alleria. In fact other than Kael (former) and Lor’themar all blood elf leaders use the regular blood elf model.
I would like to visit our city. I would also like you to have access to alliance cities. I believe the faction barrier should more or less be dissolved.
Everyone needs more. Several races didn’t get anything at all. DiD got absolutely nothing and Vulpera just got eye color options. They deserve a proper pass over.
That’s more than the vast majority of races. When was the last void elf featured questline? Our recruitment quest I think that’s it. And we made a couple cameos in BFA.
Sylvanas was a high elf. And she is the reason blood elves even joined the horde in the first place. How many races actually get full zones dedicated to them besides humans, orcs, and trolls?
Blood elves were major players in Dalaran in wrath. Also in the Argent Crusade Tournament there was an blood elf featured faction. In MoP you were major players on the isle of thunder. You’ve gotten much more than most races. You’re probably the 4th or 5th most represented race in the game.
Meanwhile void elves have a single quest, a couple cameos and a little encampment on a space meteor. We have almost nothing. Half of what we do have is piggy backing off of High elf lore.
Which was the first and so far only tauren centered zone since vanilla. In vanilla they got 1 and a half zones. In TBC blood elves got 3 zones.
But you ARE the same species. But a different cultural and arguably spiritual practices as well as faction. The differences should be displayed in culture, architecture, behavior, not in looks.
Blood elves will always be a separate culture from void elves and high elves. Unless some kind of reunification happens in which case mixtures of all cultures would come together. You have a distinct culture already.
Not not until we find out for sure but that was my understanding.
It is an RPG and I support roleplaying. For a long time I roleplayed as a demon hunter because we didn’t have them for real. But I didn’t stop campaigning for them to be added for real either.
If it’s all in your imagination how will your roleplay be suffering? If you can pretend something exists why can’t you pretend something doesn’t exist? How is something someone else doing effecting you? If someone is doing something you don’t like you aren’t forced to roleplay with them. Lore is constantly changing and evolving. If you were to play classic wow half the quests and lore have been heavily contradicted. Things SHOULD evolve.
It’s not. But you want to limit people I want to expand. In limiting only you get what you want. In expanding everyone gets what they want.
I did and do have a long thread about it. I think the faction conflict should end and cities become neutral. I think Rpers would benefit from this. Some of the most non combat fun I’ve had was RPing cross faction despite the difficulties. It’s so cool to set aside that violence and just talk and hang out. The elixir of tongue was super neat though I wish with war mode off it was just a default. If people still wanna RP pvp then I think war mode should acompany that and also prevent people from entering opposite faction cities. You keep pointing out I’m not from an RP server as if that means I haven’t RP’d before.
See there is a big difference between our opinions. I want to have something and you want me not to have it. How is that fair?
I’m sure they do. I think it’s silly. I think some more is warranted. A name toggle and such and disable the visuals of the racials. But a full new race wouldn’t bring anything spectacular to the game. That’s why they gave void elves natural skin tones in the first place.
People shouldn’t have to rely on add ons.
Except elves are descended from trolls and both trolls and elves are HIGHLY sensitive to mutations. For an IRL human turning purple is a huge change but for elves just being near fel crystals turned your eyes green. Elves are highly sensitive to mutations and being purple isn’t a drastic enough change to make them an entirely different species.
We do.
You do. Your struggles, your history, your membership of the horde.
Blood elves didn’t “lose” anything. Sharing is not loss. There is no scarcity here. I am always for more customisation and I think blood elves should def get the void elf hair styles and colors. The male void elf facial hair is very good and think male blood elves should get it.
They’ll still be each race. As they are the same species is faction and cultural divide.
They weren’t there during the political movement. It’d be like if Canada had a plague that wiped out most of their people and renamed themselves something like Bloodians idk the specific name isn’t important here. And some canadians were in the united states. They weren’t there when the plague happened they still consider themselves canadians. They may return to canada and think of themselves as canadians because they weren’t around during the movement that led to the name change. In fact this HAS happened in which cases a country or people changed its name but people from there didn’t agree with the name change and still considered themselves the old name.
For the most part they are very diplomatic. The blood elves aren’t violent for violence sake. For awhile they were allowing high elven pilgrimages to the sunwell which including going through silvermoon to access the docks. Something like that coming back would be cool. The sunwell was cultural heritage of high elves and blood elves despite the cultural split years prior.
At no point where they exiled from the horde. They were exiled from silvermoon which I think was overly percatius. I imagine for similiar reason they aren’t keen on blood elf demon hunters or death knights in silvermoon. But I think just keeping them from the sunwell should be enough because they pose a very real and tangible danger.
Blood elf and paladin lore won’t be negatively effected by new lore for a seperate culture. Blood knights will not cease to exist if void elf paladins become a thing. Technically they already are a thing.
Irrelevant. I still want that for you regardless of if you agree with my on my stance or not.
I’ve seen lots of contradictory things about light and void but not life and void.
It’s not TAKING you aren’t LOSING anything. You are still you. You are not any lesser. Blood elves do not cease to exist because of void elves or high elves. I do agree you could get some more. You should get more. But void elves are not the enemy to that. High elves are not the enemy to that.
Also I thought you said you don’t do quid pro quo? You want something back for something you’ve perceived was taken. Is that not quid pro quo?
It feels like you just want what you want and no other way is acceptable. Which is… disapointing.
I play both. I even play a void elf as a high elf. So what am I? I do not hate blood elves. I feel like blood elves have a good place on the horde. They make sense there. They have a troubled past like most of the horde races.
And this here is the fundamental problem. They’re not.
There is no benefit or drawback. You don’t have to get something whenever someone else does. It just is. You haven’t lost your identity. It’s still there. You still have it. IT hasn’t been taken away from you. You’re expecting some kind of exchange like this is a transaction. It’s not. Every race needs more customisation and options so that players can play per their prerogative. Player agency and choice being paramount. And other players not being able to step on the shoes of another.
It is not. It is how you feel subjective. Not that subjective emotions aren’t important but I am trying to convey to you that you do not lose by allowing another to have. We all grow from it.
They’re not, they’re equal.
That’s not how playing a game works. Me doing my thing does not “forced onto you” bar harrasment however else someone plays the game does not effect you. It’s their game, their life. You are free to ignore people RPing in a way you don’t like. This has always been the case. You are not harmed. I’m sure you’ve ran into cringe RP, or rp/backstories you didn’t like or agree with before that had nothing to do with high elves or void elves. Treat them the same way.
I never said they were. Simply put you want restriction though and I want liberation. You are not forced to participation in liberation and you can continue to experience the game through restriction. But I cannot experience the game to its fullest extent while restrictions are in place. So the fair course of action is the one that causes the least harm and negatively effects the least amount of people. Your issues you have are ignorable. Mine are not. I cannot ignore something I cannot do. But you can ignore something doing something you do not like. It does not effect you.
The problem is you have no intent to compromise or quid pro quo. You want it the way you want it exclusively. I want EVERYONE to benefit from more options even things I do not personally care about or for.
How do you tell pandaren apart from faction? they have no visual difference. Only the horde/alliance symbol when you hover over them. Which does and would still exist for high elves/blood elves for the time being until the faction barrier is fully dissolved if it becomes dissolved.
I am an adult that believes something without scarcity and harm should not have limits. Because I believe in freedom for people to exist and express themselves how they will. This is a video game the limits are artificial. And I’ve been abundant in patience.
It’s not really hard to believe that there are some when the high elves had priests and close relations with humans and dwarves during the second war that there are at least a handful and the remaining high elves may be even more likely as they’ve heavily integrated into human culture.
They didn’t have an issue with a death knight visiting in theory. They had a problem with them invading to ressurect a notable paladin which they found obscene. That’s not exactly the same things. Besides the fact that ITS THE PAST. That zone is not relavent to new lore. They don’t have to let them in. It’s time locked to legion BEFORE void elves became a thing.
They could’ve very easily given them no resource bar or rage if they wanted them to be warriors.
How can I look it up if I don’t know what or where they are.
This I can mostly agree with. Everyone needs another once over and I don’t mind if void elves are last. Some have gotten virtually nothing like DiDwarves and Vulpera. While even races that HAVE gotten a lot like night elves are still missing some vital/important things.
And I am urging you to consider that, no it does not. You are not harmed by others getting something.
I was a warlock main for a LONG time. And demon hunters “stole” our metamorphosis. Did I complain about it? NO! Because it fit on them better. Because we got our own flavour enhancements. I love the new demonology summoning and army of demons. I do something miss the playstyle of old demo as I thought it was super fun and wish another class/spec would play that way. But I am glad we got demon hunters and losing a few abilities wasn’t the end of the world. And in that case, we actually lost things not just shared them.
Where there is a will there is a way and in this strange infinite cosmos there is always a will.
I want all races to get this. Including worgen, goblin and all allied races.
Except that is close enough to get them introduced to druidism as harvest witches which did something similiar allowed for worgen druids.
Exactly. No reason this can’t be a link, and explanation for them pursuing druidism.
Yeah their budget has been severely slashed. But laziness is nothing new with blizzard it’s just worse because now they can’t throw money at a problem to fix it.
I try to believe most folks aren’t awful. I see awfulness all around but I like to assume that it is not the majority.
We differ there again, the whole foundation of this game is built on having two separate factions.
I also disagree with this given Blood Elves have gotten nothing to compensate with what has been shared with Void Elves, whether from Void Elves or something new for just them, not to mention Nightborne which was supposed to be the trade race for Void Elves have yet to get things from Night Elves so it’s been nothing except Alliance side and Void Elves getting things from Horde side.
I’ve met some really good people on the forums but I’ve also met some really bad people on the forums as well, so I judge from person to person, for example we seem to get along fine even when we disagree and even have civilized conversations about it.
It really isn’t. Because they don’t care about Nature. They just want to twist it into an abomination of more power.
It isn’t, though. There’s no connection to the Dream and Belfs just corrupted everything for more power.
Gilneans being Harvest Witches wasn’t a foot in the door. The curse was. They’re permanently connected to the Dream because of it.
I’m pretty finicky when it comes to druids, so I’m not into letting more races become them. They’re very unique and very specific on what makes them druids. I even despise KT. lol
So I won’t argue further, because I’m too stubborn. And I don’t want to ruin good conversations.
