I dunno. I feel like engaging in the player-driven market doesn’t make the game P2W to me. I think you can make an indirect case for BoEs but not for carries. Players can carry bad players through hard content for any reason they want, whether that reason is because they’re friends or because they slipped them some benjis through a third-party online transaction.
As far as I’m concerned, until there’s an option to directly buy Mythic gear in the Blizzard shop, WoW isn’t P2W. That’s why I think BoEs toe the line much more than carries do.
The part you’re ignoring and not addressing is YOU are the avenue, not Blizzard. I can keep buying tokens until I’m blue in the face but if I don’t find a player to give them to then nothing is going to happen.
For WoW to be pay2win, I would have to pay that money to Blizzard and get the service YOU are providing.
If I were trying to use gold to buy a token for game time, then that would require someone else to buy the token from Blizzard in order for me to buy it from that other player with my gold.
You can spend as much money as want but you still have to do all the activities to actually complete something … plus the RPG factor makes it that you will need to do it multiple times to get everything you need .
yes that is correct, all i was telling him is that it is a possibility and he should not consider gold to be forever treated ingame gold without being converted to tokens
it leads to the whole concept of wow tokens being used to buy gold and can be used to buy boosting services to skip the queue thus relating it to the topic title that yes it is indirectly being a easy way to finishing and getting rewards
Unless Blizz is funneling you the gear your argument is blatantly false. Paying a third party, i.e. boosting, existed long before tokens which makes your entire premise silly to start, and only goes down from there.
No doubt everybody who every boosted to glad, ksm, or mythic raiding is exactly as you say. Once they bought a carry they were never able to learn anything in their lives.
Of course, the fact that you always told them to go die in a corner in every carry didn’t help them learn. But if they learned, they wouldn’t have been your paying customer anymore, would they?
And since a different carrier told us in the forums that the overwhelming majority of boosts they sell were to other boosters for their alts, I guess you had a pretty special clientele there.
Just so I’m clear, you’re going with: “It isn’t Pay-2-Win because you’re only paying Blizzard a fee to be a middle man and not paying them for the service directly?”
But that can happen with any relationship between two players. Two friends can do the same thing and that clearly would not be P2W. If two players exchange money to become “temporary friends” but no one is around to see it, is it P2W?
The part that gets me is that if I was an omnipotent being but my omnipotence only allowed me to see things that happen on Blizzard online services, then I couldn’t tell the difference between a bad player being carried because the booster genuinely want to help them, and a bad player being carried because they paid to be there. If WoW were P2W, I would expect to be able to perceive some sort of difference between the two.