Its not so much as an intentional disconnect, its more of a planned business strategy that weighs profit and player satisfaction, they want real life dollars, subscriptions don’t make that much for them now compared to gold sales, as long as they have 1/4 of the player base spending money on tokens for pay to win services they are happy. they couldn’t give a flying rats behind about the players enjoyment of the game …AS LONG AS they keep some players playing
I was not a hardcore raider, I never set foot in a mythic or even a heroic dungeon in BfA, nor did I run a single mythic dungeon. I did lots of World Quests and Emissary Quests, and I pvp’d a good bit. Basically, I did everything you could possibly do outside of mythic dungeons and raiding to get gear.
I was pretty decently geared, but in no way was I comparable to someone who actually raided. This gear that rained from the sky was predominantly rare quality (from WQ’s) or lower grade epic (from Emissary and Paragon chests). I vendored or broke down the majority of the loot I received because it wasn’t an upgrade of any sort. Most of the best gear I earned came through the pvp rewards chest at the beginning of each week.
So I disagree with the premise. I saw as much of the non-raiding content as anyone else did, reached exalted with every rep, etc. There was an abundance of gear, but not an abundance of useful gear. It certainly did not put people on par with actual raiders.
What was available made it very nice for quickly gearing up alts so that they could get to an ilvl that was comfortable to run newer content.
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The disconnect is we want to keep playing WoW but Blizz is bored of maintaining it and is passively-aggressively trying to get us to move on.
I mostly agree, except that I did not raid at all in BfA outside of an occasional LFR run, and yet I wasn’t bored at all. I enjoyed the WQ’s for the most part, I leveled the most number of alts to max level that I ever have before, and when I ran out of stuff to do in BfA zones, I farmed old raids for mounts and such. I can’t do that with ease any more thanks to the broken scaling. So now, I log in and do a few dailies, maybe kill a few rares that have a mount drop chance, and then I’m left twiddling my thumbs. Right now, I do not have a hope of seeing mythic or raid content. Not too many people in LFG who are in a hurry to add a fury warrior to their group composition. lol
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Yeah, that abundance of useless gear is what the problem was seen to be. Getting epic gear for trivial tasks done solo devalues the comparable epic gear obtained from more challenging group and social content.
But my point is, it was seldom comparable. It was epic, yes, but it wasn’t a great quality epic. Certainly not in the same ilvl range as heroic and mythic gear. I don’t see what the complaint was. Those hardcore raiders still stood above casuals in terms of gear score and quality.
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Man I’m glad GD wasn’t the first thing I ever learned about WoW. I have never in my life seen such a massive amount of whining and complaining. After reading about 999999999999 threads about SL, the chief complaints seems to be A) I don’t like Torghast, and B) Loot drops are too scarce. Which BASICALLY boils down to “I’m not maximum ilvl 4 weeks in even though I have put in almost 0 effort and this makes me super sad.”
Personally, I think SL is a fantastic upgrade from BfA. This may be the best state the game has been in since WotLK. Is Blizzard disconnected from the community? Maybe a little bit, but I think the community is disconnected from what an MMO is actually supposed to be. It’s supposed to require time and effort. It’s supposed to be a progression system. If you choose not to follow the progression paths, then YOU are the problem, not the game.
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I don’t disagree there, but when all that was happening, what was the primary complaint on GD? “Why can’t I have the same gear as a Mythic raider even though I don’t raid?!?!?!?!”
It’s a hamster wheel of complaints day in and day out. If Blizzard fixes one thing, the community shifts over to hating something else. This GD board is full of the most miserable pricks in existence and to be quite frank, I feel sorry for the majority of them. The bottom line is; If you aren’t having fun anymore, don’t play the game.
“you think you do but you don’t”
“don’t you guys have phones!?”
after a few quotes like this you start to wonder
Of course there is. Blizzard is in business to make money. They will pay attention to what sells and what does not sell, as any business should. As such, they have plenty of reporting and statistics to review that tells them what works and does not work, and they experiment.
The community, on the other hand, is so fragmented, nobody will be happy with changes made to the game, and you cannot get accurate reporting from heresay.
The disconnect is neither a short coming of Blizzard, nor is it their fault. The disconnect is that the community cannot agree on what to do for the game with Blizzard’s business interest in mind, so the community alienates itself into irrelevancy.
It’s precisely what i mentioned - you get a group together and progress challenging content and get gear that is comparable to gear that literally rains from the sky for trivial solo content. That devalues the effort, the gear and the social experience.
Yes and no. I think they abandoned GD a long time ago though.
not even to raiders really if they did, covenants would not be linked to the skills
The problem with this community is a human one; humans are generally very self-centred. Their problems are the ONLY problems, no other concerns are relevant. No other opinions matter unless it matches with yours and you are deficient in some way or either you don’t exist if you have a differing opinion.
Personally, I think leveling should have taken FAR longer, professions should be useful during the leveling process, and there should be a fantastic group and guild oriented Shipbuilding Profession, but I’m not going to call you all Trash and brainwashed imbeciles for not agreeing with me!
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Yeah, I don’t disagree. Funny thing is, people complained that the leveling took far too long, so they nerfed that into the ground and now people are saying that it isn’t long enough. It just seems like everyone has an arbitrary number in their head about how long leveling should take and if Blizzard doesn’t hit that for EVERYONE then that is something else to make someone make a dramatic “Canceled my sub” post.
It’s funny, though, that I’ve read in GD that some people want this game to be more like Ultima Online …which I kinda would love to see, but it took me literal MONTHS to max out my first character in UO back when it was in its glory days. I don’t think today’s generation of gamers could handle that.
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Well, it has been a few expansions since I have ventured onto the forums, and I can’t recall ever visiting here during BfA (if I did, I don’t remember doing so). I certainly was not one complaining. I think the loot drought in Shadowlands is crummy, but the notion that people who don’t raid should be able to be as geared as people who DO raid is nonsense. I’ve never been a hardcore raider. I arrived too late in BC to be part of the raiding in that expansion, but I was one of the two main tanks in a casual raiding guild throughout Wrath and into Cata. We raided a couple of times a week, but it was relaxed and enjoyable for us. We weren’t contending for realm or world firsts, but just to clear content at a pace that fit our play style. Also, we mostly ran 10’s at that time, with occasional 25 man collaboration runs with another guild. We never thought we should be receiving the same ilvl of gear as groups who had 25 man content and later on, heroic 10s and 25s, on farm. It was an incentive for us to try and PUG into 25 man runs that were being advertised in general and trade chats.
That being said, there were a few 10 man quality epics available that you could get your hands on, either through maxing rep with certain factions or through earning dungeon and raid emblems. They were entry raid level quality, but they weren’t always the BiS so we did not always end up using them.
I personally loved the way loot was handled and gear was available in Wrath. That being said, I did not have a problem with it in BfA either.
People are fickle I guess. I have voiced my share of complaints about how things are going so far with this expansion compared to all the others I have been present for and played through, but I am still logging in and doing what needs to be done to advance my campaign and Covenant story, I’m running Torghast (although it is definitely tuned harder this week compared to last), and working on leveling professions and other miscellaneous things. But I’m not happy with the feel of the game. I understand other people are, and that’s fine, but having played everything from late BC to now, no one will convince me that things are in great shape.
I appreciate your reasonable responses.
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You on drugs? It’s the worst leveling experience of any expansion. Stop lying to yourself.
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Be patient. Tuning passes will happen. I would make a suggestion to try out Arms for a while. With the right leggo and conduits it’s middle of the pack right now. The main issue is that there is almost always only room for 1 warrior on a team and that’s just for Battle Shout. But yeah, Arms is in a better spot than Fury atm.
Again, solo gear was almost never comparable to gear obtained in group content. The one exception that I can think of was the use of titanium residuum. I was able to purchase three higher ilvl pieces after I saved up enough of that. They were very nice pieces and the boost they gave me definitely helped me to be able to do more open world content solo, but again, on the whole I was no where comparable to players who raided and were in full raid gear. So if raiders were feeling like their efforts were devalued, they shouldn’t have. Their group efforts were always going to be more rewarding on the whole for them, and what’s more, they were getting access to achievement and raid mounts and titles that I may never get myself since I’m not much of a raider these days.
Perhaps the raiding community is too spoiled? There has always been an element of elitism that has existed since the beginning (remember Elitest Jerks? Ion Hazzikostas was their GM before being hired by Blizzard) where hard core players have looked down their noses at casuals (aka scrubs). There are those who feel that their play style is the only thing that matters and that those who have a lesser play style than them should see only minimal rewards for what they achieve.
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Imagine having six buried posts in the same thread and still not getting that your opinions aren’t respected or wanted.
Come to think of it, this guy has buried posts in every thread he appears in.
lol
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