Brann is going to tank in S2 (according to PCGamer article) – would be a good time to increase devles challenge/difficulty without impacting players too heavily.
i think this has a lot to do with it.
but it isn’t as if delves players get some advantage that m+ players don’t get.
everyone gets to run delves for gear.
but there are different player groups with different in-game goals.
if you are a solo player, then delves is your thing. have fun. grind out your 619.
there are m+ players who have key level or various title objectives.
there are those who dabble in both. i fall into that category.
but in the end, a lot of people seem to think that loot is a limited quantity thing such that if a player only doing delves and getting 619 ilevel prevents the m+ player from making their own progression.
i ran delves initially to check them out and get gear to prepare for m+. I am running mostly +5s right now. I don’t really get much in the way of gear from them. I am now running m+ to try to get 2k score.
for me, the gear is a tool to help me in the content I want to run.
I would not have felt comfortable at all trying to get into m+ as a tank with 600ilevel. I know some did, but I am a much more cautious player. Delves gave me the opportunity to gear up before getting into m+ in a way that heroics and m0 just couldn’t.
I see nerfing delves gear as an unnecessary and counterproductive idea.
just leave it alone.
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That actually makes sense
Ion interview at Windows Central
"We also don’t feel like we have a proper on-ramp into the system.
For a lot of players hitting level 8 Delves, you’re getting very powerful rewards at that point. When you look across from there to Mythic+, it can feel like there’s no point doing anything below a Mythic+7, and 7 and up is actually quite hard. If you’re someone without experience of dungeons to begin with, +7 is not the best point of entry, and it certainly wasn’t designed to be a point of entry, so we think some players are hitting a cliff wall. So we see a lot of people bouncing off that would have previously had a home in early Mythic+ tiers. So, for Season 2, that’s one of the big things we’re going to address there. It just wasn’t something we could change in the middle of Season 1."
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Yeah, that’s lawyer speak for nerfing delve rewards.
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Not entirely true, on my alts i have 2’s timed, but they wont invite me for +3’s, people want pumpers only now for m+ in the pug world, which is annoying. You dont need 625 ilvl for a +3 key xD
for now its just speculation but i wouldn’t put it past blizzard to actually go through with nerfing delve rewards. its very inline with how tone deaf they are.
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They are going to do 1 of 3 things (or maybe more than 1 lol): A) Nerf Delve rewards, B) Buff Delve difficulty, or C) Nerf Mythic+.
Since I doubt C is going to happen, I would expect A, B, or both.
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While I don’t have a solution to the problem, I do hope blizz finds another way rather than nerfing delves. Simply due to the fact it was advertised as a new end-game solo gear getter, and I believe the 619 ilvl cap is fair, which is heroic raid equivalent I believe. Just have to wait an see.
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Why not just put the 8+ rewards in a higher level Delve?
There is no way they didn’t know this would happen.
I think they did the usual thing for new stuff, make it super buffed and OP to get players doing it, so they can show shareholders the new featured content was/is a success.
When that’s done, grab the bat.
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I can’t wait for the thread on Blizzard burning down your house if you don’t do m+.
Sure. there is no reason to think they will. no posting, etc. only rumors.
but now y’all have all heard the house burning rumor.
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This whole notion once again feels like Blizz saying "players aren’t playing the game the way WE want them to play, so we have to turn the knobs and adjust things so that players are doing what they are SUPPOSED to do.
Never mind that players have already sorted out what’s best to do. And rather than Blizzard realize this and adjust the content, they will simply modify the reward to force the issue. Same-as-it-ever-was.
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If they nerfed delve rewards, personally, I would not do them after the initial challenge on each spec. There is no point in doing it again on the same spec. It’s rather irksome they’d spend so much time on content that has very limited replay value rather then spend the time making fresh content.
Whelp, they just keep ignoring the playerbase on how to improve things to make it more attractive to run content they WANT you to run, so… 
There’s no post about nerfing delve rewards.
Yeah, they have blinders on as always. Frankly, the real issue here is that the M+ squish, but they won’t simply admit that. If they hadn’t done the squish, there would be a lower, easier M+ entry point. Because M+ isn’t just about gear, it’s about skill, and comprehension. If you don’t know the details of how M+ works, and how that specific dungeon works, doesn’t really matter the gear unless you are simply being carried.
But yeah, let’s instead just nerf the gear. Now folks not only won’t know HOW to do M+ they won’t even have the gear to try.
The other half of this argument, which ties into the above, is that simply having the good gear doesn’t make you good at M+, which is being proven, and has been proven already over the years. So just because delves offer similar content, for those that aren’t veterans of M+, it really doesn’t matter, they aren’t getting picked anyway (lack of rio, etc.). Which is why Ion’s argument is a false one to start with.
The real reason he’s upset about delve +8s giving that level of gear has nothing to do with entry level for folks new to M+, because no one is doing the +2 to +6 range anyway. The reason is that the folks that are M+ veterans and raiding veterans are farming the higher ilvl loot in delves, and THEY are skipping those lower M+ tiers. THAT is what he cares about.
I’ll never believe he’s delusional enough to think that we ALL want to be in the cesspool that is M+ right now.
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That isn’t really something to be upset about. Who cares if people are speed gearing their alts for raid gearing in 11.5? They are playing the game. If it’s as slow and time consuming process as their mains, players won’t bother gearing their alts at all.
Delves don’t give mythic level rewards currently. I’d be surprised if they nerf Delves, given the popularity among people who don’t raid or do m+.
Delves allow you to slowly get fully heroic geared, and m+ allows you to slowly get mythic geared. I feel like they should leave it as is.
Edit: I guess you do need gilded crests to get fully heroic geared, so you have to do m+ lol. They should not nerf delves though, if they are considering it.
WOOHOO! I honestly can solo tier 8 Delves on any class/spec at 570. Healer? Tank? Melee? range? doesn’t matter at all. They are FAR TOO EASY and just doing Delves my alts got to like 606ish very easily. Then couldn’t upgrade gear as nobody would even invite me to a +4 for Runed Crests. The whole system was a damn nightmare.
Well, that seems clear enough to me they’re going to restructure it. How? Idk.