My personal theory is Draenor is dying because it was never meant to exist and time itself is trying to destroy this “puddle”. So now, the only way to keep it stable is to lightforge the actual planet.
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I think you’re right about why AU Draenor was dying. The Mag’har either had no solution for the problem or thought the solution was “???”, so Yrel and co though Lightforging everyone would fix the problem.
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Nah being not infallible means some will be nasty, either they are infallible or they aren’t
Xera works fine
Not sure about that. All-good is not the same as all-knowing. An all-good individual can still fail, make mistakes or be tricked unless they are also all-knowing.
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if there can be evil light users there can be evil light beings
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I view it the same way Bungie framed the Light (Sky) and Darkness (Deep) in Season of Arrivals, mainly the prophecy dungeon. There the Sky and the Deep are neutral forces and those who use those forces determine if it is being used for ‘good’ or ‘evil’. Even before Prophecy, there was the Dark Ages. A period in the story following the collapse where humanity was under the rule of Warlords that were Lightbearers. Some were ‘good’ like the Iron Lords or Lord Shaxx, others were ‘evil’. Then there is Savathun and her Lucent Hive. Likewise we have people who use the Darkness for ‘good’. For example, Eris Morn, Elise Bray (Exo Stranger from D1), the Drifter and Osiris are the main ones. Also Zavala post Final Shape campaign as his ghost, Targe gets killed by the Witness.
None of the cosmic forces are “in it for themselves” but certain actors within those forces are. I mean 3/5 Eternal Ones were not interested in making Death the dominant force out of the six. Only Zovaal (because of his fear of something not even the writers know) and Denathrius were. Therefore I do not say it is a contradiction that a Lightforged Draenei can use the arcane.
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My previous point was that fallibility doesn’t have to include evil. As for your point, not necessarily. Especially since Blizzard until recently flip-flops on what counts as “evil”; that’s what you get when people with broken moral compasses (looking at the Cosby Suite crew here) were the lead devs/writers (the worst of them - Alex Afrasabi - was the director for WoD, Legion and BfA. That Illidan/Xe’ra power fantasy cinematic in Legion was his idea).
It was Locus-Walker who the writers used to shoehorn this “one path” lore into the Light. So Locus-Walker was wrong?
While your view of it has merit. It feels like another addition to the “fans put more thought into it than the writers” pile.
Blizzard can flip flop all they want, i judge people on my own moral code
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Same here. Though what do you do when the writers say you are wrong on a matter?
I ignore them cause they are wrong
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My morals tell me Xera is wrong, whether blizzard killed her off or not i would have always believed that
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An even-handed approach. And I’m surprised; I thought people couldn’t make more than one comment in a row.
cause i usually think about more i want to say afterward but i’m too lazy to just edit it in
We all do that sometimes. I wasn’t having a go at you, I was surprised people can post more than one comment in a row.
As for WoW, I gave examples of the inconsistencies in writing where the Light was concerned and at least one reason why it happened. I get the feeling the narrative is getting cleaned up over the next few expansions (especially with the most retcon-happy and toxic devs gone).
I doubt that they seem keen on keeping light users as enemies given they kept the scarlets around and describe the arathi as a holy xenophobic empire
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The Scarlet Crusade and their offshoots, while well-written at the start, are way overdone. They’ve been reduced to punching bags with a track record of defeats that’d make Team Rocket blush. The only thing that could revitalize them would be adding sympathetic elements./characters or getting rid of them once and for all.
No idea what they’re going to do with the people of Hallowfall. I interpret it as a civil war scenario with open-minded Hallowfall people vs xenophobic Hallowfall people.
The idea can work, but not when done badly. Yrel’s group were badly written from the word “go”, while Xe’ra could’ve worked if they hadn’t literally wasted her in Legion as Illidan’s jobber.
the people of hollowfall are specifically not open minded at all they tell you were it not for how desperate they were for manpower they’d have killed you as well
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and as for the scarlets i’m not interested in blizzard trying to make me sympathise with their fantasy K K K, “oh this group thats been trying to exterminate has some sad guy in it” i dont care stop being a part of the group trying to exterminate me
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The Arathi warn us that under other circumstances the empire’s orthadoxy dictates it would of seen us as heretical reprobates and properly purged us in the Emperor’s name as a good child of the Sacred Flame should.
The Arathi Empire has some strong Warhammer 40k human vibes.
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As a 40k fan, I say “nice”.
A theme in 40k is that as horrible as the Imperium is, overall they’re the lesser of two evils and better than the alternatives (except the Eldar - barring the Dark Eldar - and maybe the T’au). Hallowfall could be the same.
And even the Imperium can tolerate or ally with non-humans at times - looking at you Guilliman and Yvraine, Emperor and Eldrad, Cain and Craftworlders, Rogue Traders…
We rescue Scarlet Onslaught defectors in the Priest quests in Legion. And members of the Klan have been deradicalized or left the Klan.