Is LFR releasing on Tuesday?

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

@Pawzer-moon-guard

This isn’t a court, nor a debate room now is it? :3 We’re not talking about philosophy either, we’re talking about a video game.

No, it’s a forum for civil discourse about a video game. Any forum for intelligent discussion is governed by the philosophy of logical discourse, one piece of which is the Burden of Proof.

You’re trying to use logical debate against the ministry of truth, they will change the rules or the reality until they find one where they win.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Pawzer-moon-guard

There’s no evidence to support your theory that any forum for ‘intelligent discussion’ is governed by the philosophy of logical discourse(or in your case, debate-bro tactics).

There is also no evidence to suggest that any discussion involving you is an intelligent one.

[Pawzer-moon-guard]

@Abendroth-zuljin

So you deflect facts with hypothetics. Not worth my time.

You mean like you did with your own post instead of discussing the points brought up in the post? Sorry, Shadowlands never had the numbers of subscriptions of Vanilla-Cata.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Except I am.

No, you’re not. You’re not substantiating any of your statements with evidence.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

You asked for evidence that the burden of proof is on the claimant and I provided it.

Which you still haven’t proven for this domain, as you made claims about that here.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Think about that for a moment and see if you can work it out.

Take your own advice, but as usual you’re a ‘rules for thee but not for me’ type.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

You’re either being deliberately difficult or you can’t understand things that are obvious status quo

That’d be you, not me.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Either way, this is the last time I’ll be engaging with you on this point.

Proceeds to engage with me again, hmm. Yeah, definitely someone that can’t abide by their own rules or words.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Irrelevant. He was a developer when the decision was made so it’s insight into the developer decision making process.

*1 dev, not all, and again if you really want to be technical the blue post cannot be found anywhere in it’s entirety.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

That can be very logically inferred, especially from the second quote, regardless of any further context.

Not substantiated, again, by your own standards.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Decisions centered around raiding is a natural consequence of raiding being the most significant endgame content. It doesn’t mean that the developers are helpless lapdogs to the whims of raiders.

Considering much of the dev team are raiders, and the lead dev was in a top raiding guild… They act, on raiders whims. See what I’m getting at? Maybe if you

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Think about that for a moment and see if you can work it out.

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@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Okay, so it is a non sequitur to this thread then? Thanks.

Woops, I linked multiple posts from this thread. Thanks~

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

And the posts I have seen don’t show any objection to people getting high level gear, they show objection to people getting heroic/mythic quality raid gear from picking things up off the ground, opening chests, and other content with zero challenge.

Nah, I quoted their posts that don’t talk about any of that. Plus, I can get a run through any raid content and still gear mythic quality gear with zero challenge.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

You can argue the evidence is invalid for whatever reason,

It is invalid, yes. That’s a fact.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Lol, this doesn’t invalidate data. It doesn’t matter where the source is if it’s accurate.

Said websites don’t show my data. Wonder if you can work it out why, and why said websites data isn’t correct and that said website doesn’t even substantiate their data. Weird how the ones that always go the route ‘you have to have evidence’ never have any real tested evidence.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

fairly accurate approximations can be made by going finding achievement information that is publicly available.

False, because they don’t pull achievement information from all available accounts, and two they can’t look at accounts like my own due to certain settings.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Is it going to provide the exact number? No.

It’s also not enough for an approximation.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Again, you’re wrong. Evidence has been provided, and I’ve just explained why that evidence is more than sufficient to demonstrate that the percentage of normal/heroic/mythic raiders is definitely not 0.5%.

Again, you’re wrong. No actual evidence has been provided, just numbers from a website that says ‘yeah these numbers are a good approximation based upon our searches’ and you took that blindly.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

That is the game, not special treatment to raiders.

No, raids are a small part of the game done by a small part of the community.

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

Your whataboutism doesn’t address the point that I’m making that not everything goes the way raiders want it to go.

“Raiders CAN’T be getting special treatment, see they didn’t get that OTHER house they asked for!”

@Zothlar-argent-dawn

The fact that there are several issues where the developers don’t do what raiders want is more than enough to debunk the idea of special treatment.

Not at all, it’s like saying because one denies a spoiled child every once in a while that they don’t spoil them.

@Abendroth-zuljin

It’s not the only reason the delay was put in place, otherwise it would have been removed in BFA. D

Entirely different dev teams, so false~

[Azaz-whitemane]

This game is being sabotaged to appease the top %1 of the player base.

Remember when WoW had 12 million subs? lol

[Froufroukin-proudmoore]

LFR is a depressing place, people either die on purpose or auto and you have the handful of players who actual want to play dragging them across the finish line.

Maybe it’s nostalgia fog but I remember far more players actually playing during the early days of LFR, with more mechanics.

[Allynn-thunderlord]

Whoa, I had no idea there was so much drama surrounding LFR . I just enjoy it because I like to see the story and I’m not a part of an active guild so I don’t have a group of people to do stuff with.

[Foossnacks-area-52]

Yep, I honestly believe new players going into LFR are less likely to try raiding normal/heroic than if they never went into LFR. LFR is a pretty terrible experience if you care to read the chat. Basically a bunch of people complaining that people are dying to the singular mechanic that can actually kill you and are doing afk autoattacking levels of dps and people in turn complaining that their play is being complained about. Why would you want to experience that on a harder difficulty? You don’t experience that on the regular raid difficulties with guilds really, but they don’t know that.

[Einerus-blackwing-lair]

Yeah not seeing it drop today honestly just ruined my want to keep playing atm tbh. This ridiculous divide that goes on in this game is astronomically bad for the health of it, I… the longer I sit here and think on it the more depressed I get so i’m going to stop thinking about it. Ya’ll need to start to realize that not everything comes down to raiding with a guild, or just doing mythic+, we’re not those types of gamers anymore.

[Allynn-thunderlord]

Yeah, it’s kind of depressing to realize that lfr is viewed as a second class system by a lot of people. I just want to have fun lol, and lfr allows me to not have to coordinate with a guild or a large group in order to experience the story. I’m not arguing to have it drop crazy loot or anything like that, I just want to be able to experience the content without arbitrary timegates based on my preferred difficulty.

[Soulebreaker-hyjal]

Btw, took less than four hours for the cinematic to be posted everywhere from normal raids. But people were worried in this thread about LFR spoiling story, lol.