Apparently that’s too much to ask for.
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What would you do now that LFR isn’t on the beta?
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I would give feedback just like here, then wait and see.
Depending on how the final game deals with the Legendary questline (e.g. items farmable via H+ currency), I would see if I could arrange with that.
Also I would still hope that LFR will sooner or later come to classic, if not with launch, maybe with Throne of Thunder.
The real issue is that there is no efficient way to actually queue for “pick up groups” for raids – it doesn’t matter whether raid finder offers LFR or normal difficulty, it’s the fact that one can queue for a raid on their own accord.
Anyone who pugs currently knows the headache:
- stalk game chat for ages to find a suitable group and needs your class
- whisper xyz, maybe get a response, unlucky if someone else of your non-meta class beats you to it
- get interrogated about experience with the raid (and get kicked if you say none)
- prove gear score, prove logs
- gold flash if gdkp
- get asked if you can heal or tank instead
- get asked to play OS
- asked if you’ve got other friends to invite
Over an hour later, still missing a tank, people start leaving, group disbands. You’ve wasted your night.
Making raid queues a thing would encourage more people to actually join raids, and allow people to not waste time while waiting for them to fill. For one, you don’t have to be stuck in a raid group and can actually go do your quests and dailies, which is much more efficient than squatting a raid spot for hours.
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This is not about LFR but simply trying to help if you want to go that way but most classic servers have a discord which will advertise runs in advance, it is much easier to use it than hope a group pops up and wants you.
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I appreciate that advice. I actually already do that for a few toons, and it already feels like a job sometimes with the scheduling. As with many others, I have a handful of other alts too. It would be great to be able to spontaneously look for a raid on a day-to-day basis versus having to set a fixed schedule just to be able to play on them. E.g. what if you just feel tired that day and have to skip a rostered raid? You’d end up getting blacklisted in no time. Casual raiding shouldn’t feel like a job (not talking about heroics), “pick ups” should not be so difficult to do.
The schedules of the raids on the server discords also simply don’t work for me most days (because adults have adult things to do). I’m sure I don’t stand alone on this.
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This is what’s true for most ‘normal’ people. It’s not easy to schedule hours every week to commit to a game. People need more flexibility. I really don’t understand removing LFR. It kills accessibility. And please don’t point to H+ as some replacement; it’s not.
Look, at this point what is there for casual players on these progression realms? I’m sure MoP will lure in a sizeable chunk of players to check it out. But they don’t follow every little detail. They didn’t notice there’s no mention of LFR in the MoP announcement. They don’t live on the forums. They probably don’t even know there is a forum.
So they’ll log in, level up, have some fun. And hit a brick wall. Go into a H+ dungeon and get told to jump off a bridge because their talents aren’t perfect, or they’re missing an enchant, or…whatever. Get booted from the group and wonder why they’re trying to play this game. Try to join a pug raid? Endure an hour long interview where every little aspect of their character is scrutinized? Of course ‘normal’ players aren’t going to deal with that. They’ll just quit and move on to some other game. Because that’s all this is, and if it’s not fun what’s the point?
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Some folks care less about the particular item, and more about the gameplay involved to acquire that item.
I mean, they could put LFR gear behind pet battles, and some folks would really like that, but do you suppose other folks may not be happy about it?
What about putting LFR gear as rewards for Battle Ground wins? It’s the same item.
dude, do you think I’m 20 years old living in a dorm? I was closer to that age when classic WAS retail.
I don’t sit around on discord servers. I’m long past that point in my life.
and most of the people coming to play this game are like me.
LFR was a core game feature in mop. it worked just fine, just as intended.
drawing these questions about the functionality of the feature is just a bogus deflection. someone here has an ulterior motive, and its not the returning players.
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They actually do care, it’s just they believe they are right and that removing LFR will keep players subscribing for longer.
As someone who dropped my sub during WoD on the day they announced “no more max leveling flying henceforth”, and to watch the whiplash on how quickly they came back and said, “just kidding…give us a couple months to fix the terrain and what not”, I saw first hand what they will do if they are able to associate players dropping due to a specific change.
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I’m with Bolero and Miahalenge on this. I think it’s great that folks who enjoy it can group together on Discord and get groups going.
That said, progression raiding with strangers has never been fun for me. And if I’m using discord or begging in game for PuGs to take me into their group, I feel like I’m doing work during my play time.
There’s no other video game I’ve ever played where I get the urge to play it, then sit down at my desk for many minutes, sometimes hours, waiting for someone to pick me so I can play the game.
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and I will add, here’s what i don’t understand…
does anyone actually believe the insinuation that the original game designers of wow, the people who made blizzard the billion dollar company it is today, didn’t think this through already?
does anyone seriously accept that the budget dev staff and game designers are going to reinvent something better than the genre defining crew that invented it?
like… its time everyone grow up.
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Exactly. I find it funny that this “Dev” team (They’re not really developing anything just taking an older beloved expansion and apparently applying how they want people to play the game for some reason) is fine with the token being added early and also kept in… but no man, people queueing to casually play a raid with lower ilvl drops HAS TO GO!
It’s just cringe and sad.
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I will note my biggest reason to want to play MoP Classic is seeing the cloak quest chain again given it was removed after MoP despite how much lore it had held behind it. Without that being as accessible as it was back in the day my interest is rather non-exisistent in playing an inferior version of an expansion I played years ago in terms of letting me see the whole expansion narrative.
Yes I don’t doubt that all the quest items could be shuffled into H+ but the storyline does have mandatory raid boss kills in it which I would really love to know how they intend to work around those.
I also see little reason to remove something that was a key part of the expansion back in the day. I don’t mind if gear becomes accessible in H+ for people who hate LFR as that seems like a rather fair compromise especially given how make or break some items were in MoP but I would also still like LFR as an option so I can do the legendary cloak quest chain just as how I did it back in the day.
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I do 
LFR gear is the reward for doing LFR; if they don’t want to do it, they don’t get the rewards. If I don’t want to schedule my life around World of Warcraft, should I petition Blizzard to give me heroic raid gear from pet battles instead? Or are we only applying these band-aid fixes for the perpetual raidloggers who barely even play the game (and oftentimes outspokenly hate it)?
Don’t forget that removing people from the LFR queue increases queue times and decreases success rates —> less people willing to sit through queues and attempt LFR —> even longer queue times —> even less people willing to… It’s a negative feedback loop design philosophy that would exist solely to sacrifice the health and success of LFR.
I like H+, but it needs its own reward structure that is completely separate from (and in addition to) LFR.
I just don’t see why we should compromise on something that was part of and integral to the success of original MOP. This is “MOP Classic”, not “MOP Classic but made by people who hate everything after Wrath”.
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LFR exists for casuals to see the story.
Go for it. Your comparison is terrible, but go for it!
LFR wasn’t integral to the success of original MoP. People said the same thing about this tier of Cata and I haven’t missed LFR for a single second.
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LFR is such a fascinating political topic. It seems pretty clear Blizzard is against it, and we should all know when Blizzard charts a course, nothing is stopping them until they hit the iceberg, which won’t be LFR.
I would prefer MoP with LFR but it will not impact me because I have time to game.
Here’s your answer: Instanced Content Updates in MoP Classic
TL;DR No LFR.
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LFR IS GONE! REJOICE!!!
Skyrim, Minecraft etc are all there if you don’t have the time to look for normal raids.
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