Focus on playing something you enjoy. If you are intent on pushing endgame content as quickly as possible at all costs, consider rolling a safe class. Frankly, I think approaching Classic from that perspective—endgame asap, damn everything else—is to risk missing out on the game’s broader charm, which are the social networks and communities that spring up over the course of your time played. Note: I’m not saying to avoid raiding, or avoid raiding guilds. Just focus on positive experiences and try to maximize those.
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Mage goes fire mid-AQ40, though all will be frost for the green ooze.
I wonder if this is why these two hunters gave me 16 slog bags for free back in vanilla cause I always invited them to my AQ20 and ZG pugs. I had no clue what was good or bad DPS back then lol. Only meter I had was Omen Threat Meter.
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Hybrids did better in 1v1 PvP than a lot of people give them credit for. Shadow melted faces, Druids were insane attrition killers, Paladins could actually 1v1 quite well against a lot of popular classes, and Shaman were infamous for insane RNG with their Windfury procs.
Just because they’re not masters of each role based on the spec they choose (as you play the class as a whole, not as a singular entity per spec) doesn’t mean they were bad. If you don’t like the design of vanilla, don’t play it.
if you want to bare bone it, sure all you need is a warrior, priest and mage. everyone else isn’t “needed” really. But it’s nice to have others too.
very well said my friend +1 to you sir!
1v1 pvp doesn’t matter though.
This isn’t live, PvP is in all parts of the game. And if you only play on a PvE server, you don’t really get the whole experience of the vanilla world. But whatever - ignore every other point and continue to flood threads whining about the weaknesses of hybrids while ignoring their many strengths.
1v1 pvp doesn’t even matter on pvp servers, worst case is that it takes longer to complete pve objectives.
The thing that worries me about this thread, is that both sides of the argument are right:
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Top their guilds require top specs
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Most specs are “viable” and a casual can do what they want
The biggest issue is when a “casual” guild ends up with a raid compromised of 10 Ret paladins (or enh/ele Sham), 5 oomkins, 5 feral druids and 5 shadow priests - all because they don’t get raid slots in higher rated guilds.
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Play what you want, find others who are of a similar mindset. You’ll have more fun wiping on a boss with people you like to play with, than you would downing a boss with people you barely know. All the purples and raid progress in the world isn’t gonna compare to lasting friendships. (Unless you’re one of those people that think online friends aren’t real friends; you’ve got bigger problems if that’s your outlook.)
The game would be a dreary and boring place if everyone only played meta builds and only cared about loot. There’s no people in such a place, only clever NPC’s. At the end of the day, it’s a video game. A video game’s purpose is for you to have fun - if you are not having fun, you are wasting your time.
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Not at all. There’s a spot for pretty much every class.
Different classes have different perks at different times.
Also vanilla might as well have a fourth role, utility.
For example, mage is not that good at the start and even almost gets into that utility range, but gets insanely better eventually.
Hunters start out as mostly pure dps, by BWL due to both need for their utility and smaller dps, they fall into the “utility” category.
As in, nightfall user, kiting, tranquilizing, etc.
Warlock starts out meh and gets strong later on.
Warrior is the only dps that is “good” all the way, across all contents.
The problem then comes with availability and skill.
There might or there might not be a lot of hunters at 60 this time, but the difference between your usual hunter and a hunter that knows what he’s doing is like night and day.
There’s gonna be A LOT of warriors and rogues, so don’t think you’re gonna have it guarantee, you’re gonna have to fight other warriors/rogues for your spots.
Just don’t try to apply modern standards to vanilla, almost every spec is viable, just not for raiding.
Elemental is not very good in pve but it’s a monster in pvp, while enhacement makes leveling much better, while resto basically guarantees you a spot in a raid, for example.
There’s a lot more than raiding, this isn’t bfa.
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The context of this thread was PvE, not PvP:
It doesn’t matter what they can do in PvP. That wasn’t the topic of discussion.
Most is not all and “can do what they want” does not translate to “what they want will be good.”
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I agree. The hybrid dps specs are bad. They’re free to pick them though, and players are free to not invite them to the group/raid.
My point was that I can see the PUGs that’ll form, being stacked with sub-optimal specs.
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Pretty much my stance, as well.
You haven’t done this, as far as I’ve seen, but I really dislike when people interpret “these specs are bad and you will have trouble getting into a group” to mean “you can’t play this and must play something else.”
Fair enough, and those PUGs, as all PUGs tend to do, will struggle.
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Feral druid if you try hard, use lots of consumes, including farming Crowd pummelers etc
They generally can keep up just fine to lower tier Warriors/Rogues and can pass up Hunters all together.
You say this as if raiding is actually difficult…the worst issue for the casual guilds imo is someone leaving for a more hardcore guild after taking a number of drops…or even a legendary…that gimps those guilds more than having a sub optimal dps that stays in the guild
And for that matter, someone that actually understands their class can be much better than anyone with any class that doesn’t care about learning that class
Thats why casuals can get stuck in MC for a long time…but then I loved MC…so its all good
“I need to hide behind this here pillar while I get another beer…”
SV is actually excellent well before Naxxramas.
There is more than enough gear by MC to be competitive with MM by Molten Core.
Pre 1.7 class talents are why we were So married to MM for so long. (Most hunters)
I switched in 1.7 because SV being capable of scaling really got my attention, and it was very rewarding IMO.
You really can play both evenly up to the end of BWL, but you’re holding your self back if you don’t gear and play SV in AQ
btw Williams - I wrote a thread on reddit today about a certain classic streamer - if u PM me on discord I can send it to you and your brother - as it is quite a lot of information and links to read/watch
replying to you here since the other thread where we spoke previously was delisted by the CMs