i mean, if thats what floats your boat then go ahead. its not like people are forced to read or reply to topics they dont like or dont wish to discuss. ![:woman_shrugging:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/woman_shrugging.png?v=6" ":woman_shrugging:")
riling people up = offending people. same concept really.
Again you completely ignored the key points.
- Exists ONLY to rile people up. It serves no purpose other then that.
- That people are reporting it for that are not “abusing the reporting system”.
Um, I don’t think we’re talking about the same annoyances here.
The annoyances are waiting more than an hour to even begin doing group contents, 4 fire bolts then have to sit down and drink, spend most of the time walking than fighting before lv40, weapon proficiency, only 1 viable spec for each classes…etc.
I think its an interesting discussion to have, personally. I certainly don’t feel riled up. I think it will be interesting to see how classic affects populations on live and how the experience will evolve from what it originally was.
Playing beta and one of the recent og freebie private realms really jogged my memory on just how much more rewarding vanilla was, and what seems to be missing from today’s live version of the game.
Just because discussing a certain topic upsets you personally doesnt mean its a topic no one else feels worth discussing.
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a lot of this is really negligible in practice and greatly exaggerated.
even today if you’re a solo dps looking for a group, you’re going to be waiting a while. play with a guild or friends and the problem solves itself. Vanilla rewards social play.
4 firebolts then drink is an issue mostly present at extremely low levels - sub 10/20. As you progress your character becomes demonstrably stronger in a rewarding way. Some people like this type of uphill climb, others dont.
Lack of mounts before 40 is actually an interesting one to me - sometimes its annoying, yea – but it also creates a more vibrant world with active world pvp and encourages exploration, it makes flight paths something useful and worth seeking out. And when you finally do get your mount, its pretty awesome.
Weapon proficiency is such a non issue its not really worth discussing, its cheap and easy to pick up the other weapon skills at low levels and can be leveled pretty quickly especially if you join a skillup group. For casters, its a complete non-issue beyond paying 50 silver to the trainer.
The only 1 viable spec thing is one of those greatly exaggerated memories. If you were raiding high end, hardcore - then yea, things were more demanding even then. But even in my hardcore naxx clearing guild we still had fury warriors, feral druids, ret paladins and shadow priests. They varied in their usefulness depending on the specific raid and encounter, but they still had their place. Our fury warrior wore leather rogue gear and did some of the highest damage of all our melee in spite of conventional wisdom saying the only viable specs for a warrior were prot or arms.
They might not be too bothersome individually, but combined, they’re gonna make the game look less and less appealing.
Vanilla was 14 years ago, most if not all of us had noticeably less responsibility back then, and probably had way more time to play the game, with more friends too.
Now, I have about 3 hours a day during weekdays to play WoW, and I have to spend more than a third of it waiting.
Vanilla had way too many problems to be competitive against the games today. Not saying it’s not going to be enjoyable, but it most likely won’t last too long.
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Vanilla is definitely more competitive in the gaming market than BFA, but yes, after BFA is dead, Vanilla would be next.
The anti-BFA crowd usually criticizes the game.
The anti-Classic crowd usually criticizes the fans.
The thing with Classic, the thing that the BfA loving crowd can’t wrap their heads around, is that Classic isn’t marketed to them. Its not for the people who love BfA and think its the greatest thing ever. Classic WoW is an attempt to attract the MILLIONS of subscribers back to the game that they’ve been bleeding out for the past several expansions. WoW hasn’t seen sustained subscription numbers equal to what they had in say WotLK days in years. Yes of course there are spikes here and there but its not sustained.
Classic is marketed and made for those who want that old school WoW feel. Team BFA doesnt grasp that this isnt for them, and they can’t wrap their heads around the fact that someone else on this planet likes something different from them.
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At this point people are just in denial that Classic will be the next OSRS and BFA development will no longer be the main focus.
Burying OP post wont change that.
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Aren’t you criticizing the anti-Classic crowd right now?
why is this hidden? it’s better to flag what you don’t like for absolutely no reason than to give it a simple thumbs down, and voice your displeasure that way? this forum is as broken as the game is right now.
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Yes, and that doesn’t contradict what I said. The term “usually” applies the context of what follows afterwards.
Well, if you haven’t realized. This whole war of Classic vs BFA started because people like OP just couldn’t resist bashing on people who still like BFA. These people even went out and made posts on GD instead of Classic forum, saying Classic is gonna replace BFA. Like…who tf does that? Is Classic a new cult now?
Of course it is. I wish there are more people understand that on both sides. Nothing is replacing anything, and people can enjoy whatever the hell they want.
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Arku is allowing reason to flow into your mind. Just embrace it and reread the above. The truth pill everyone needs. Both sides in fact.
I think personally a lot of it stems from the vitriol that was placed on people who suggested Classic servers before their announcement.
How many times were posts made by people simply asking and making various points about having access to official classic blizzard servers made that were met with people just ripping into them for even having the desire to play Classic.
I agree that there is a lot of toxicity on both sides of the fence. But a lot of that toxicity came from people who were ganged up on and beaten around on the forums for even suggesting Classic servers before Blizzard announced WoW Classic.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and say that their toxicity strives from their passion for the game.
I want Classic to succeed; this way Blizzard can see that they wandered off the correct path regarding game development.
I also don’t want BFA to die; I want Blizzard to implement the successful nuances of Classic into retail.
Honestly if retail had better class design, PvP vendors, and a better MMO feel I wouldn’t even touch Classic, but that is not the case.
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Well to be fair its the people making a lot of these topics that are causing a lot of the toxic back and forth. Team Classic thinks it is the best thing ever and anybody that supports BFA and not Classic in their mind is delusional.
I didn’t play Classic, my first account was Wrath, but the people who I know that did play say that its wasn’t that great but it was just something different for 14 years ago.
The opposite is also true though. Team BFA comes on and tells anyone, even those not being toxic to begin with, that if they like Classic then they are in the wrong and that the game they are hyped for is trash.
There is toxicity and vitriol on both sides of this fence, neither side is right and neither side will win. Its a simple as that. Me personally I started playing early in TBC, and honestly I loved it back then. If they released a TBC server that had up to MgT and Sunwell Plateau I’d probably play that more than anything. But that again, is my own opinion.
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