- I don’t know. Because I didn’t read past the third one. So I can’t know. Because I don’t know what else is there. Basic logic.
- Yes. Yes I am.
Spoiler buddy, boycotts don’t work. They never have. Because for every single person who is outraged over whatever reason they want to get outraged over that day, there are dozens of people who don’t care in the slightest and will continue to use the products they like.
No company has ever suffered from a boycott, ever.
So sure, some people are going to say ‘enough’ and quit, but for every one that does, a dozen just shrug their shoulders, say ‘meh’ and move on with their gaming.
I tried to boycott Nabisco once… it last until I got to the grocery store and saw how many brands were owned by Nabisco.
Or Activision would cancel wow lol.
If the game is crap anyway, why would it matter?
It is: muted, crap post.
Sorta love the fact that this post got reported and a blizzard staff member had to read it and go “yeah this isn’t against the CoC” and restore it…
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The test will be if anybody lumbers back for the next retail patch.
TBC will likely succeed for the fact that nothing else of significance is happening on the mmorpg market front in terms of fresh new or exciting playable products.
For SLs though? I have my doubts.
Well, that certainly worked when they made the fatal, multi-million-dollar-losing mistake of trying to remove flying. Most of those subscribers never came back, I’d wager.
I’ve been playing for ten years now and have never once given the slightest flying fig about the “faction war,” and happily play both “sides”. Since I’ve been playing it’s been us lot versus “big bads” almost all the way, aside from when they’ve clumsily tried to red v blue it to force pvp and, of course, failed.
Don’t care. Never cared. Best adventure in this game I had was Mists of Pandaria, with new lore and new characters and a panda who told the Horde and Alliance leaders to stop being children already.
See above 
Yeah, the whole "oooh look Baine is back, Jaina’s here, the gang’s ALL here in the afterlife and for some reason they appear to be experts on it, Thrall seems to have had a stroke because he’s getting all fussy about what weapon he uses to not actually do anything at all…
They reached the stage in MoP 5.2 at thee end of that Isle of Thunder chain where they could have taken the “lore” to an entirely new place. But nope. Reuse recycle. Hence we got the “greatest hits crew” in WoD with Garry finally getting killed in a cinematic with all the power of that car crash in “Top Secret” where the bumper goes “tink” and the car explodes.
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I enjoy the game, so I’m staying subbed
Plenty of good points. However I think there are those at Blizzard who would rather run WoW into the ground and just cancel any development entirely once profits dip too low rather than change course on the direction they want.
Too many of them see it as their precious baby to take in whatever direction they want (quitting players, angry community, upset loyal fans, etc be darned) while management sees it as a cash cow that isn’t being milked enough and pushes to change that. These two together form a toxic brew. One can tolerate the greed if the game and its content is exceptionally good. And one can tolerate a certain bad design philosophy and elitism towards the playerbase by the devs if the company isn’t greedy, the product is cheap and they’re not being psychologically manipulated to up metrics for quarterly reports. But together, there is no reason to endure both ends of this.
In the meantime please join me in unsubscribing and telling them their direction is awful in the feedback form you get for doing so.
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They did in WoD when Ion tried to kill flying forever. He caved in.
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the game will never be what we once thought it was, if it was ever even that. like lots of people talk about how great wrath was but i thought it was trash. my favorite expansion is cata which is seen as the worst besides WoD. but even they are getting love now that people have decided bfa and sl are garbage. even if they were to make cata classic it would be post heroic nerfs so it wouldn’t be what i liked about it anyway. nostalgia is a heck of a drug. lol
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There’s some truth to that I guess. At the end of the day, it’s a business. The servers will shut down when the game isn’t profitable. From what I understand, WoW makes them a decent amount of cash, so I don’t think they’d purposely give that up.
They do work for us, kind of. Player feedback just isn’t that important when so many players continue to log in every day to play a game that they hate. I’m enjoying the game, more or less, but I’ll bet that the serial complainers log in more often than I do. It’s tough to get any leverage like that.
The servers will shut down a good while after development has ceased unless they intentionally decide that they have a certain quality standard that can’t be met anymore or if they want to use WoW’s/Warcraft’s IP for something new and don’t want a dead MMORPG hanging around. This is because the amount it costs to keep the servers running, the network infrastructure, etc is a very small amount. They’ll most likely just stop regular development, no new expacs, people who are addicts will be free to continue to play and pay Blizzard and Blizzard can make a modest profit off it (especially legacy servers like Vanilla, BC, Wrath) but not enough to justify two years of development work for another expac. They’ll maybe make new shop stuff. They could even shift to a f2p model with shop purchases supporting it staying online at that point.
But to the players who care about it, it will be functionally dead at that point. It’ll shrink to a fraction of the current playerbase, most servers (unless everything is merged down to like 6-8 servers) will be empty, the economy will be in the tank, outrageous auction house prices, not enough materials to do professions unless you gather them yourself, etc.
One could say benevolent developers with power would be thankful and indebted to the community after a decade and a half of support. Sadly the WoW devs do not seem to feel that way, in many ways they seem almost annoyed much of their player-base exists. I personally haven’t logged in for nearly a week. Last time I did it was just to check my mail and auctions real quick.
What I’m concerned with is there is no leverage to be had. That the developers straight up don’t care about the historical player-base, loyal subscribers, the old WoW ‘meta’, etc and continue to think they know what’s best and if it isn’t working it’s the fault of the playerbase or larger forces not them and their choices.
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Sure, but it’s a job to them. I’d bet that a lot of them had real passion for the game at some point, but real life has a way of chipping away at that. As long as you continue to pay your sub, you’re demonstrating that you’re more or less happy with things.
I’m sure that they have a minimum subscriber number in mind when it comes to whether or not they can keep this thing going. Most of the people with serious complaints about the game continue to pay. It’s an odd relationship lol.
It’s what I jsut turned mine back on for to catch the prelaunch stuff like reserve a name for a blood elf, etc.
Fired up shadowlands, looked at it, said nah. Lets have another OCD saturday of moving crap in eve.
When hauling 40+ systems in eve is better than SL…its not a good thing.
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I give blizzard 5-10 years left. I don’t think we’ll be seeing any new IP’s from them anymore.
I hope dreamhaven is working on a mmo.
Which is why I’ve cancelled it. Although I will note they do use monthly engagement as a metric in quarterly reports. If a ton of people just didn’t log on at all for a month or two that could look pretty bad. Internally they may have more detailed, daily/weekly numbers but if they care or act on them is anyone’s guess. It really is the panic of income dropping though that might be able to kick them in the seat of their pants and get them to change stuff.
Bellular popped off.
And we like Bellular.