Is it finally happening!?

I’m a bit sad honestly because Ion is actually self-aware on a level that nobody gives him credit for.

To be fair though, saying “I want to play TBC” and also condemning the change in direction from BfA into SL which has more “old WoW design” implementations is kind of ironic.

Sure it’s not quite the same, it was never going to be, WoW progressed to BfA over 12 years of small changes, there was no way they were going to revert anywhere near that amount in one expansion.

But saying you dislike the older game design being introduced to SL whilst also claiming you want to play the older expansion is a bit whack.
Realistically it is why Blizzard doesn’t listen to the consumer, because the consumer either typically doesn’t know, or doesn’t know how to correctly convey their actual opinion.

Do we though?

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I disagree. If enough people unsubbed from WoW, Blizz would just turn to milking the people who stay for as long as possible and divert the resources to other games.

MMOs are not the hot thing anymore. I think they are keeping it going because it is still bringing them enough money to justify it, the original team is mostly gone, the passion doesn’t seem to really be there either. Once WoW subs start to dwindle, I think they will just let it go.

Doom and Gloom but honestly it feels like Acti just wants to move on to the next hot project and mobile money grabs. MMOs are a lot of work.

No. There will be no quasi-political action. Individuals will leave when they are done, and devs and their forum sycophants will continue to pretend that nothing is wrong, until the accounting department notices problems and gives them a call.

People who are no longer subscribing don’t buy tokens to pay for carries.

They’re hiring two thousand developers (!) specifically to further feed the mobile money cash cow. The old Blizzard is dead and gone. Now Warcraft is a “property to be exploited” with crappy mobile games that none of us with want anything to do with, but Karen down the shops will eagerly pump credits into the keep playing on the bus on the way home.

It’s okay Karen, it’s not your fault. You’re just being lured in by the new game design aesthetic. Be sure to have your credit card ready. Bobby needs some walking-around money.

I don’t particularly have anything against mobile games, it is becoming a more relevant gaming platform and I have some pretty impressive mobile games that I would consider core to my gaming hobby. The issue with mobile especially though is that they are usually pay to win, taken to the extreme.

I’m willing to give a mobile game a chance, I am willing to see a PC / Console game studio put out a few mobile games and I will judge them accordingly. The big red flag would be if / when a studio makes a large shift toward mobile games with cheap gameplay, outsourcing, or cash shop incentives that make the game playable, because it comes off as a cash grab.

This, and OP never responded to this.

Free is too much?

I agree and disagree. Good post overall. Blizzard is out of touch man. They deserve roasting. But Ill touch on one thing you said cause I don’t have much time. The in-store items can be bought with gold. I seen no complaints about an auction house mount costing $700. I seen nothing about a spider mount worth $300. Or the 100 vendor mounts that cost 100k plus. $20 a piece. That’s actually the stuff you guys are fighting for but on the same note its costing more than the In-store stuff. I just don’t get that argument and never will. I feel that’s something that asmongold simps complain about.

That’s the thing though. The big cash in mobile gaming isn’t from selling the games. It’s from gatcha systems and the cash shop.

As for outsourcing, well, Diablo Immortal didn’t work out so well for them if they wanted a quick and dirty release :wink: but Blizzard’s in-house team’s mobile skills are woeful so far - on iOS we have a WoW app that’s basically an interface for the mission table which is over ONE GIGABYTE in size for some inexplicable reason, and then Hearthstone, pushing 4 GB and requiring a full re-download of the game and double that space every time they do an update… for a card game.

But I digress. Mobile games - the big-money success ones - are almost exclusively cash-grab monetised-to-the-hilt designed-for-addicts cynical cash grabs. And this is Activision. I’m pretty sure we can guess where this is heading…

If you do not like all those optional stuff , don’t buy it . If you really want to keep your character in classic because of the amount they progressed then do so . You can always make another character for TBC or just wait for TBC and level up there. You are never really going to behind in content because guess what the content will stagnate.

If you gonna still buy all this stuff then be happy and don’t rant at Blizzard because you are just encouraging all this stuff.

they want things but don’t want to pay for them. that’s essentially what it boils down to. they seem to think wow is some gacha game that is p2w cuz you can buy an (imo) ugly low res mount. you can PLAY for free. but they aren’t worried about playing. they’re worried someone else will get something they want, cuz they spent money on it. they want the same items for free. when you remind them that originally tbc wasn’t free they say they already paid for it. i got diablo 3 for free initially and bought it on sale on switch for $30. same game, different release. i didn’t get it for free again.

That’s what I’ve been saying. Speak with your wallet, not just your keyboard. Everyone can make their posts and point out everything that’s wrong with the game, Blizzard won’t care because they’re still getting your money. If everyone who complained, unsubbed together and made their voices heard outside this forum (Twitter/Reddit etc) then they’ll start looking in your direction. Until then, they’ll be looking at just the big green dollar signs.

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Call me back when we start to be able to buy super deluxe potions and flasks for real money or something. Stats? Armor with stats? Now that’s a quit. I couldn’t care less that obsessive polygon collectors with issues are out another $60.

Are you mad? Cause you askin’ me 21 questions.
-50 Cent

I mean… half your list is the same two complaints reworded multiple times to make you have a longer list…

How many times you going to post this?

Your forum post crits for 1337 points of damage.
WoW has died!
You recieve loot: [Phone]
Logging you in to Diablo Immortal!

…hic!

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I can only speak for myself, but throwing mounts in the cash shop disincentivizes Blizzard from putting any effort into mounts you can earn in game (three horses for BfA reps).

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Well given that white knights literally reword their one or two gotchas multiple times to make it look like they’ve written paragraphs I would say it’s a fair counter.