I mean no, I can just look at mine.
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I actually 100% agree with this. It would make WSG way more active.
Also, probably best to actually reduce some of bonus honor, so non-participants get nothing afkâing in the cave. It would also make the grind more challenging at higher ranks, which IMO is needed.
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So hold onâŚyou accuse people of getting pilot/carriedâŚyet you say stuff like thatâŚ
Those people were killing honor bots. Yea they are sometimes spotted even here on the armory for retail. You will see some random player posting on the arena forum or what not, you go to inspect them, they have a few dozen HKs and are at R14, glad. They are super easy to spot. They stick out like a sore thumb. You report, they get banned. Thats that. My war had just over 40k HKs or so before getting the R14. Some take only 19K to get, others are up to near 100k HKs and still donât have it.
I assume those with 100K+ and still no R14 probably twinked at a low level were the R14 was not available to obtain yet. You look cooler at 60 with 100k HKs and R14 than you do 60 19K HKs R14.
Here is an ACTUAL reply from someone who has done the grind on more than one toon and can answer you 100% correctly. You can still decay. You cannot drop below your current rank, however. But you can drop to the very bottom of that rank. You can lose rating, but never lose rank. You can only gain you rank. Rank will now always only increase or stay the same.
So you can do some, get half way there, leave for a few months, come back and still you will not have dropped to the very bottom rank. You will only drop to the bottom of the rank that you are at.
Dishonorable kills go to your ranking immediately. Rumor has it that those still can drop you down below your current rank, but that is only as rumor has it right now.
A low pop server or a high pop, but extremely unbalanced server is going to be a lot more difficult to grind out your R14 on, even with the CRZ as the algorithms still exist to pair you with your original server group as before. \
A better grind this time around that allows you to go and take a break, come back and pick up where you left off.
They (dishonorable kills) can indeed de-rank you, I know someone whoâs done so.
stop lying
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same from the entire week. Multiple days and various times during the day and night ally dips down to 6-8k per hour. I guess youâre in those magical ques of âWe never loseâ or âi just won 14 straight gamesââŚ
Why did you quote me leading into something somebody else said�?..??..??
quit lying about ranking in old system. If you didnât get r14 then it doesnât matter.
I believe this completely. First of all, because you are way more trustworthy than that poster who pathologically lies and then either gets mad or plays dumb when called out. Iâve never noticed you lie.
Secondly, because I know youâre an actual PVPer who tries hard and does their best, and not someone who blames their weapon on not being able to gank level 55s and claims to love wpvp but gets mad enough to make forum threads about standard wpvp scenarios.
Yes, when you actually PVP, even with the AV meta, you get more honor per hour. Astounding.
Also, I got R14 multiple times with the old system, and yeah the first time in classic it cost me some sleep, and it was a little crazy of me, but I did it with a full-time job and a commute. I also never post lies on the forums, and I only have posted on one toon for 4 years straight because Iâll own every single thing I say. I donât do anything to jeopardize my account either so no botting or account sharing or even any RMT EVER. Iâve got old posts going through my journey and backing up all of this.
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I can log in and show it to you then.
Oh so NOW that you know people are willing to prove stuffâŚit no longer matters⌠But when I was not saying anything about wanting to prove it to youâŚit mattered to you big time cuz you just would not stop arguing the point. Fine bye. Cya later troll
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Idk dude, I doubt that I have that much of an impact on win rates and as mentioned, thereâs time I wasnât any better than a bot anyway (I wfh wcyd, av ranking meta ftw) but never did I reach 6k HPH in a given playing session and that was using that add-on which tracks it (I cba doing the math). I also donât queue with a premade (not that ally really has any).
I also ranked to r13 in the old system and I had a full time job. I did work from home so I would afk and sit an AV queue when they were closer to 40 minutes on horde, and then play mostly AB/WSG at night. I didnât account share, I wasnât part of a mafia, wasnât part of premade group. I will admit it was later, when caps were significantly lower. I still prefer that system over this one 100349340%. Was it more time? Yes. Was it more effort? LOL of course. But was it more fun? 38934934%. I donât know about you, I donât play the game to just get gear and afk. I actually like the process, I raid right now even though I donât need gear just because itâs fun to raid (to some extent). I play BGs because itâs fun (even the occasional AV!). I like the process of getting better and hanging out with my friends.
Thing is right now, the population on era legitimately donât want to play the game. Goes back to what Iâve mentioned in many other posts. How many rankers right now actually enjoy PVP? like actually have fun queueing BGs or wpvp etc.? Probably not that many Iâll tell you that much from what Iâve observed. Crying about 40 min games (cough cough), requesting taking out decay in an already effortless system, basically demanding to have vendors with gear. Not that the old system, no one was motivated by gear ONLY and everyone loved ranking, but it definitely was nowhere near to what it is now. Youâd often see players that ranked previously queue up for fun, not always but it wasnât rare.
I also wish they would restore the old ranking system - it was a lot more social, alot more interactive and a lot more fun. I donât care if 75% of the current rankers would unsubscribe as a result, they might as well not be there anyway. A ranking system where being afk is viable isnât a good system.
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No it sucked really bad, and you just donât like the contrast of how easy it is now.
There needs to be a middle ground. Like removing most of the BG honor bonus, or requiring all three BG reps exalted to get rank 13/14.
Players should not be able to passively honor farm this easily.
Granted, this is exactly how the system was before too, except that only say 5 people at most could get R14 a week, not 50.
I admit, youâre right. I think Iâm more salty about the players instead of the game, in retrospect.
This system just fosters the player base thatâs a little different than me, unfortunately.
I will argue that the system was not at all like this, from my experience anyway.
In classic, you couldnât afk av rank 14.
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Exactly, and that I think is a huge part of the problem.
The best way to passively farm the threshold for honor is too easy, so there needs to be several tweaks.
First is reduce the bonus honor for AV, and shift that over to actual kills. Make participating in AV the rewarding part, not base racing.
The second which I know Iâve parroted a lot already, but consequently part of hitting rank 14 was getting exalted in WSG/AB/AV, too. That is a massive grind and more than just bot farming afk honor. That takes participation, so make that a requirement.
Lastly, I would say make the threshold for getting rank 13 and 14 from like the 250k and 400k or w/e it is and multiply that out by 1.5.
Rank 14 should be an absolute HASSLE to get, even without competing against other players. Make the path up to rank 13 and 14 easier, sure. But those last two ranks should still be a effort. Time spent getting WSG exalted, and moving the rewards to actual honor kills would fix it, imo.
And for those nerds who are going to question what I know, hit rank 12 on a 59 twink, rank 13 twice, and helped my cousin grind rank 13.5 in OG 2005/6 Vanilla. Iâm well aware of the drama and sweatiness involved in honor ranking.
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I agree with both of these things. As you know. Iâm saying it again in this thread though.
That so many people like this so much makes me feel pretty alone again as a WoW player, making me rethink if this game is for me again because I do not fit with a self-obsessed, community-hating, old-school atmosphere hating player base, but it just reflects on the Era community more than the âVanillaâ one.
Also, I think the experience of ranking in the past was server-dependent, and I do not think thatâs bad. Having a different experience each time was what made it fun for me. The people are what made it fun for me. Without those things, there are other games that are more worth my time.
To me, current ranking is identical to a hollow Retail rep grind that I wonât remember. I quit retail over this kind of bland personal goal garbage.
I was hoping that things would still be fun but in a different way. They arenât. I hope there are tweaks to make things better but donât expect them. If tweaks are made for WSG and AB so more play that would be something but if the players are the type who AFK and never try stuff because thatâs what this personal rep goal type system attracts then thatâs no better.
I am glad that you said lately that you are having more fun than you were though as there have been some good WSG games and the âAFK in the snow typesâ are in AV.
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What???
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Anything, LITERALLY anything is better than what was in place and 100% of people who ranked legit will agree. If they donât then they didnt rank legit.
The system was a cesspool of toxic trash. People loved classic cause you could spend 2 hours a week raiding and run around 1 shotting everyone who didnât raid but enjoyed playing the game casually.
That is were most of the hatred for the new system stems. People are really mad that you can actually gear in pvp now. That is just wild.
Equal gearing is not welcome on these forums it would appear.
I disagree totally and frankly, you of all people cannot speak for 100% of players. Not sure if this is another troll but itâs probably another thing you will call trolling even though youâre serious. Especially since you donât like PVE and literally only play to gank which maybe makes you 0.1% of the WoW population. Iâd like to pat you on the back for being unique as Iâve always had a thing for wpvp fans but thatâs impossible with what you post.
Yes, it is obvious you like the personal rep grind style where you can be as antisocial as you want because youâre the exact target market for that. This doesnât say a lot of good or improve the game quality at all, as arrogant, antisocial, pathological liars who feign that they were âtrollingâ about things are not good for an MMO.
I classic ranked to R14 as legit as possible with a family, a full-time job, and a commute (for the pre-covid part). I did NO account sharing, NO AFKing, NO botting, NO RMT, and my only drug was caffeine. I was on a server where I could do this mind you. Yes, I had a premade, and yes I worked with others to bracket stack. This is an MMORPG and I want an MMORPG, not a bad single-player game where my only interaction with others is using them.
You pretend that this is all a lie but Iâm not the one who lies ALL THE time on these forums⌠and do I expect this to change your mind? No, your mind is a brick wall. Iâm posting it though to say it to everyone else.
Anyway, Blizzard calls what they do with their game and the player base who likes what they do sticks around. Things are as they are.
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So you think the old system was a good one? LOL stop the cap and no tf you did not play 14 hour days with a family and full time job bud. Gesus the lies you guys go on about for that old toxic system is freaking wild
Iâm not lying at all. I donât lie in my posts.
You are just projecting as you lie on here so often.
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Based on a lot of the comments Iâm reading, I seen to fall in to an odd middle ground.
I really, strongly, disagree with the idea that getting rank 14 is somehow âeasyâ now. It still takes a minimum 8 weeks, and is still a commitment that requires a fairly significant amount of playtime, regardless of how you wanna argue a person is playing, whether âdefendingâ towers or actively PvPing.
The kind of time does not reach pre-change levels, of course, but it shouldnât and that was kind of the entire reasoning behind the change, because we all know it was unhealthy as all get-out.
Even just hitting the 500k cap requires a fairly high-hour part time job level of playtime, and if you have any IRL responsibilities or a job to boot, contributing all of your remaining expendable time to simply queueing BG is a taxing affair on any adjusted adult.
When anyone says itâs âeasyâ now, the only way this is true is if you are referring to someone who has little actual responsibilities IRL and is terminally online almost every waking hour. Yes, it is easy for a player like that to cozily afk grind AV to r14, but this is not the norm, they are the outlier, and do not represent the vast majority of players (for which rank 14, even after the change, is still completely out of reach due to the playtime requirement).
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