If you look back in this thread I posted two videos from 2006 that show two different groups of mid 30s clearing Herod. Their level ranges are between 30-38, so a bit under leveled and they clear it about 5-10 times faster than Asmongold’s all 30 level group did. Its probably tuned pretty well in Classic.
Ill look for links again. Both are poor quality.
Here is one:
www youtube com/watch?v id2ZnoAQrYI
And another
www youtube com/watch?v e5eMjfxs-1c
They have the best gear for level 30, no one had the time Or knew how to get BiS back then .They have 500-800 hp than your average level 30 They are also one of the best players in the game .Low level dungeons were never hard,quit crying .
This is the result of cognitive dissonance. This forum, before it got fully populated with a fresh wave of people this summer, has been full of the old guard angry group that spent the last 10 years being angry with Blizzard because they dislike retail WoW. I get that. I really, honestly do. I read enough of what they were talking about to understand where they’re coming from, and I even agree with fully half of their basic points.
The problem is that their community was banded together based on this suspicion and upset and general antipathy toward Blizzard. Now…Blizzard has given them what they said they always wanted, and they simply don’t know how to trust that. Blizzard has recreated the game with a really focused vision of “no changes.” They added layering to deal with server stability and to prevent dead servers later on…proving their dedication to making long-term homes for Classic players. They agonized over whether they even wanted to update mail speed or not (in the end, they didn’t even change that). Y’all they worked hard to replicate the way the air looked in Westfall. They went deep to make this product as authentically Vanilla as they could.
They started with a low server count to ensure no dead servers would exist. They are refusing to over-release new servers. They released a new server for the EU and one for NA as soon as they had no more capacity and the need was clear…just like they said they would. They have reiterated their dedication to removing layering from the game entirely at the introduction of phase 2…just like they promised.
So far, Blizzard is seriously delivering.
And that doesn’t compute for people whose entire community identity with the game has been private servers and anger/distrust where Blizzard is concerned. It feels much more normal and right and true to continue finding ways Blizzard is “lying” or that Blizzard “ruined” everything or Blizzard “doesn’t care about the players” or Blizzard “wants it to fail.”
Positivity…doesn’t compute.
I’m hoping that when we get in there, a lot of that community, which is made up of normal decent people from our very own tribe of Vanilla-loving WoW Heads…will find a way to make peace with–or at least set aside–the need to maintain a baseline of hostility and suspicion so they can just enjoy the game they’ve waited so long to play on permanent, stable, legal, and supported servers.
Lol.
Everyone wants to tell me it’s bc they’re twinks.
I logged in on my 34 paladin on nostalrius/light’s hope/Elysium whatever you want to call it. My old pserver. I went to SM library. The same mob that hits the 30 warrior in the YouTube videos. They hit the warrior for 40 damage. They hit my 34 paladin, also wearing a shield, all mail armor, no extra armor buffs compared to the warrior, they hit me for 120 damage.
THIS IS NOT TWINKING. the game is nerfed. The op is right. Come back & in a month everyone will see it’s too easy it isn’t fun.
I listed out every nerf to elite and dungeon mobs that I could find in the vanilla patch notes. The dungeons that you’re complaining about weren’t ever nerfed.
People don’t understand.
If every single mob in the game does very low damage… Then there is no risk… Nothing to try to overcome… With how little damage these mobs do no one can die in a group… Only the biggest of mistakes like pulling extra 3 mobs or something… Only huge mistakes would mean a wipe … When in classic if you made one small mistake it meant wipe… When the game is that unforgiving… everything is more fun. When nothing can kill us bc the damage is so low… We won’t have fun it’ll be too easy.
They did sm cathedral while being 10 levels lower. That 30 warrior takes 40 damage where my 34 paladin takes 120 damage. You guys are delusional. It isn’t Twinking. Enchants up to that level weren’t available on beta… There is no enchants in vanilla adding 1k health…
Ok!!! Forget the patch version!!! They made mobs do LESS damage to LOWER level characters. On pserver my higher level tank takes alottttttt more damage from the same mob…
This is way too easy guys… This is not good… No one will want to play when dungeons feel like retail…
Your private server is overtuned, your tank is not wearing best in slot gear, nor are they running with a full group of best in slot equipped players.
Oh!!! You think capped level 30 character wearing quest rewards and blue BoEs means he has CONSIDERABLY more armor than my 34 paladin???
We aren’t comparing health pools… The actual armor that mitigates damage received. He takes 40 damage. My 34 paladin with a shield takes 120. My gear isn’t underleveled. It’s all mail. It’s fair to say our armor values are similar. There’s no twink gear with tons of armor reducing damage so dramatically compared to a geared 34 paladin… No… You’re so wrong.
So many excuses when the video shows everything wrong in the game. All you people playing retail are about to kill classic wow too. It will not survive. It’s too easy …
Not to mention in the video they don’t sheep one time during bfd despite having two mages… Come on…
The aoe things down!!!
Is that not retail?! Wake uppppp
Yes. Look at the difference between the Frostreaver Crown and other headpieces. Or the Fire-Hardened Hauberk. Or heck, just look at the armor difference between the Tiger Gloves and the Warsong Gauntlets. Vanilla gear was incredibly unbalanced. You simply weren’t meant to collect all of the absolute best and out of whack stuff that was available to you at any level before sixty. Then there’s the fact that they ran in with full buffs and yeah. It’s pretty easy to see them having way more damage reduction than your 34 Paladin.
Did you intend to post this on different characters, and then forgot to switch them?
Getting mad at people for playing how they want to helps nobody. You could probably do the same on your precious private server if you wanted. Fact is, they didn’t sheep because they didn’t want to sheep. If you get angry at people for not playing the way you want them to play then Classic just isn’t for you, because most people aren’t stuck with a mentality from 15 years ago.
I mean, people thought Feral Druids were terrible back in the day as well. And then powershifting and Manual Crowd Pummeler were found and they became great.
Nopeeeee they weren’t over buffed!!! They had priest fortitude. Imp stamina. Paladin buffs minus devotion aura
Look how dumb you sound. None of these buffs increase armor!!!
You’re literally watching classic videos in YouTube & have no idea what you’re regurgitating.
Are you whinging about the Scarlet Monastery run or the BFD run? Pick one and stick to it.
SM Library where I’m able to compare to his videos with the same mobs. I didn’t do cathedral or armory bc I don’t have the key to enter on my paladin. Library only thing available. I linked it
In that video he has no armor buffs … but he takes less than half the damage a similarly geared tank does AANNDDD the other tank is 4 levels higher which is huge in tanking world
The worst part about this is …
In 2009 or 2010… I was here saying they made the game too easy… I got called a troll
In 2019 after everything has come full circle… They’re relaunching wow but they’re retailing it … So I’m here again trying to raise awareness…
But I’m just called a troll. I don’t want the game to fail…it will though. If they don’t buff dmg from enemies
It’s really not, your armor value does not increase as you level you know.
If a level 30 player in BiS has an armor value of 2500 and a level 34 player has an armor value of 2000… who do you think is taking less damage?
See the issue is that you are complaining to the wrong community. The values shown in the beta/stress are the accurate numbers, the numbers on the pservers are the inaccurate numbers. You should be posting on the pserver forums to ask why their numbers are wrong.
Omg. They weren’t wearing gear that increased armor that much!!! Low level gear doesn’t have a large disparity in armor values!!! Very few items have a large armor stat
It’s simply easy to use to compare because it’s physical meele white damage… Armor only thing that mitigates it. He isn’t wearing any pieces of gear that skyrocket his armor. He’s taking less damage in the dungeon because they nerfed classic beyond classic
I played vanilla in 2005… we needed cc… we couldn’t afford to aoe things down… agro would be everywhere… Too much damage to heal… aoe does very low damage to elites so no enemies would die either… all around their video shows that blizzard has chosen to make classic like retail
Why would I go to the pservers?
Why can’t blizzard make a game that isn’t made for 5 year olds? Haven’t they been collecting money on you numbnuts for the past decade? Can’t the hardcore playerbase get a game that doesn’t make us fall asleep?
Nope!!! Bc they are sell outs… They know their largest revenue comes from pretend video game players who don’t care about gameplay… they want players like you guys who don’t care about the challenge or lack thereof in gameplay… they want players that care about Pokemon, mounts & dress up transmog… You guys are live stock to them… they print money using your guys wallets…
Why oh whyyyy had wows sub numbers continue to dwindle??? Hmmmm. Why oh why will their sub numbers sky rocket in a week??? Hmmm. & Why will their sub numbers die in October??? They can’t stop catering to the people who love buying virtual items