So defrost them first.
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Did you … play the pre-patch content at all? Don’t you guys even quest with a blood elf that congratulates you for slaughtering civilians even?
On the Alliance side when we arrive in Astranaar, everyone is dead, civilian or not.
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Yeah, this is yet another complaint. Horde have the option to spare people. Alliance side everyone died. Which is the canon outcome?
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Not sure the Horde actually got a “Pump up, Fist Bump” moment in BfA. We were constantly shamed within the game’s narrative for the one victory we were allowed; the one we had to have to get labelled the Villains’. As well as being repeatedly told how weak we are.
Tho. Its a fair trade. Go nuts. Population numbers have never mattered in WoW, and locations can be resorted and rebuilt. What the Horde is lacking right now is a developed character roster. We need chances to test the mettle of Geya’rah; Rokhan; Gazlowe; Voss; Mayla; and Kiro (and that’s just the Leaders). We need a chance to stress test the Horde Council. We need a reason for Calia to at least get some cautionary distance from the Alliance; for the sake of her people.
You get to blow stuff up, we get the Plot Armor your characters always get in these stories.
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Both. Horde players are given the option because it makes them good if they don’t do it. But when the Alliance gets there afterwards they are all dead, so someone in the Horde killed them all anyways, but it leaves the Horde player innocent of those kills. At least that is how I look at it.
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So what about that entire expansion about her having enough souls to become titan level powerful, or that entire pre patch that was centered about the extinction of the Night Elves?
Blizz (for some reason) really wanted Night Elves gone it seems, and all of this just to make Saurfang sad and Sylvanas powerful. Then ignored them to tell an awful story about Sadfang, Mary Suevanas and tentacles.
I don’t know if I could take the justification machine at full power from blizzard and the players.
Otherwise I don’t care if a city gets razed or zones taken.
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There is truth to this. Expecting anything antagonistic or “grey” from the Alliance brings the inherent risk of it being handwaved away, or buried under a mountain of justifications. Even something as simple as the Lightbound showing up and manipulating Turalyon into conflict while all the Doves are away … would probably be expecting too much.
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Double replying to this because my first post was just a joke, but the more I think about it, the more the tauren seem right as a BFA reversal target. I feel that the very fact that they’re the most passive and peaceful of the horde races is what makes them the most appropriate to be butchered en masse, although even then I still don’t know if that would be enough because they’re ultimately still a horde race that stuck around through the expansion. They’re the closest you get to the night elf equivalents of being kicked puppies.
If you could somehow tie it in as an indirect result of Baine feeling backstabbed for his role in rescuing Derek Proudmoore, you could kinda get an analogue to Tyrande gifting Azshara after the last war despite it not stopping the WoT anyway.
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Last I looked the Night Elves aren’t extinct. Ergo, she was not successful in driving the Night Elves to extinction.
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OK. You are conflating two points…
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Inventing events is not being “objective”, it is applying you own “head canon”.
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Even if your head canon were true it wouldn’t be enough to support “The Horde blitzed through Ashenvale and killed every Night Elf that crossed their path, civilian or otherwise” given other events that directly contradict that.
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Gallywix. Gallywix will over throw the council and use the Horde to destroy the Steamweedle towns across Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.
There will be assaults on Mudsprocket, Everlook, and Ratchet on Kalimdor by the Horde. Then Assaults on Fuselight, Bodpaddle, and Booty Bay for the Alliance to repel.
Gadgetzan will get revamped to serve as a raid for the G.1 patch.
The G.2 Patch will feature Kezan as a fully functional zone with Jaina and Lor’themar rehashing dialogue from either MoP or BFA (we don’t which).
The G.2.5 Patch will have Nisha start a rebellion against Gallywix.
The G.3 Patch has Area 52 in Netherstorm updated with the zone as the Horde Rebellion and the Alliance lay siege to Area 52 to finally stop Gallywix.
Best of all the Alliance won’t complain about be made the punching ang (cause that role belongs to the Steamweedle cartel) and the Horde can’t complain about raiding their own captial cause Gallywix took over Area 52.
You don’t get a choice. That is how the villain bat works.
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Well… near extinct then.
Destroyed as a nation, that was the goal of the Horde and that was achieved, just like that peace they got.
Do you know what their population was prior to the WoT? Do you know what it is now?
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Enough that the survivors overwhelmed Stormwinds ability to hold them all. With every single tavern in the city and even goldshire being filled to the brim with families and such. But you know…things like this are always conviently glossed over. 
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I don’t doubt that a lot of Night Elves died in Teldrassil, only the validity of the extinction or near-extinct claims.
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Yes I did. Though if we are going down that road, I’m not sure you did. The quest in question doesn’t direct anyone to kill civilians nor does it reward you for killing civilians.
People are trying to spin random dialog from one NPC, to only some PCs, about only his own views, as some characterization of the Horde’s treatment of civilian as whole. And doing so in direct contradiction to actual quest that do happen. That is not credible.
Yes, that is Alliance content. Which is different than Horde content.
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A lot did die. It’s just wildly overstated by some on here. The difference between this attempted genocide and say what happened to the Sin’dorei is that we’re specifically told that 90% of the High Elves were wiped out. We don’t know how many Kaldorei actually died in Teldrassil
Doesn’t change the fact that someone killed all of them. Stop ignoring things that don’t fit into your view of how you WANT things to have happened. They’re dead.
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