I player character are not “given the option”. They have to do it on their own initiative. Actions that player take without being told is not lore. I never has been. Something that only a minority of players ever see can’t be.
Nor are contradictory content. You can try and spin some random comments from one NPC, but the fact even then then, there still was no mass killing of civilians.
Yes there was. Those civilians are still dead when the alliance arrives. Stop ignoring things that don’t fit your version of events.
You have to be trolling or just straight up ignorant. The Alliance part of War of Thorns takes place AFTER the Horde one. This is just fact. When we show up to Astranaar there are Forsaken NPCs running around yelling about “Do you hear the screams?” and all the Night Elves are dead.
Delaryn Summermoon then tells us that the Horde came through and killed everyone. How is that a headcanon??? It is objectively true.
The Horde players in War of Thorns may have been given a choice to spare citizens, but obviously if they chose not to kill them someone else in the Horde does because when the Alliance get there everyone is dead.
Yeah, that’s one reason why I don’t argue too strenuously about whether the g-word actually applies in this case. Blizzard clearly wants the players to think it does.
Elegy actually shows that the Night Elves were the ones that planted the bodies in Astranaar as a trap. And A Good War actually has Lorash die well before the Horde makes it to Astranaar. So if the novels are canon, the Horde quests in Astranaar couldn’t be so.
Furthermore, in the Alliance side questing, Delaryn even makes reference to the trap attempt:
Right back at you. Your person opinions are not facts.
The events everyone is trying to spin in Astranaar are…
A cannon lore character remarks that the Horde killed all the civilians in Astraanar, but it’s not cannon because it proves you wrong.
Yeah, you got to be trolling at this point. DELARYN herself mentions the horde KILLED THEM ALL.
You not liking that is not going to change it. Sorry you don’t understand that.
To be honest. Population numbers have never really mattered in WoW. Nearly every single PC race has gone through near extinction level events in the last 35 years. Some of them, several. And in between those has been wave after wave of constant, escalating, end of the world style conflicts. The NEs aren’t the only PC race to have gone through this sort of thing in WoW even, and not even the most recent (that honor goes to the AU Mag’har).
Not that it detracts from the tragedy of the event that is Teld, but unless Blizz comes right out and says “effectively extinct” … you’re pretty much golden. The only two groups I can think of Blizz referring to in such a way are the HElves (culturally), and the Drakkari (Literally).
Don’t be such a hypocrite. We have reached ad-hominem attacks, so this is my last replay to you. All you are doing is calling names and saying the same thing over and over while ignoring anything you disagree with.
That part is a fact. Your claims about unknown people showing up between the two quests are not fact. They are head canon. Which you have refused to address.
When we show up to Astranaar there are Forsaken NPCs running around yelling about “Do you hear the screams?” and all the Night Elves are dead.
Delaryn Summermoon then tells us that the Horde came through and killed everyone. How is that a headcanon??? It is objectively true.
The Horde players in War of Thorns may have been given a choice to spare citizens, but obviously if they chose not to kill them someone else in the Horde does because when the Alliance get there everyone is dead.
Blizzard openly puts contradictory events in quests for both sides. They have done this since at least MoP. The idea that this means you get to insert head canon and call it lore is laughable.
And no, the quest doesn’t “give you a choice to spare civilians”, it doesn’t involved the killing of civilians at all.
Yeah, I will give you credit and believe you aren’t so stupid to have missed all the points about one NPC, saying thing only to some characters, outside of any quests, in content only some players ever see. The fact that you refuse to even try and address this shows that you aren’t sincere. Your name calling is hippocritical and mean spirited.
Rant away. At the point nobody cares.
Whether it was the Horde player, the Forsaken Assassins that linger in Astranaar after the rest of the Horde has left that the Alliance player kills, or bodies that the Night Elves brought in that had died elsewhere in the war to try to lull the Horde into a trap, these civilians were found dead in game:
Aayndia Floralwind <Leatherworing Trainer>
Dalria <Trade Goods>
Daelyshia <Hippogryph Master>
Fahran Silentblade <Tools & Supplies>
Innkeeper Kimlya <Innkeeper>
Llana <Reagent Supplies>
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/1/10/Llana_Dead.jpg?version=fae08bb08142f3ce5390259f44e19aa3
Maliynn <Food & Drink Vendor>
Nantar <Baker>
In Alliance only content.
You can post pictures to prove something that nobody is claiming isn’t true. It is still a straw man.
I’m not sure about your point? Are they not dead? Or are you saying their deaths aren’t the result of this war?
Listen, if the hill you want to die on is that it didn’t happen, even though we know it did happen is fine. And some players not seeing it, doesn’t change the fact it still happened.
And besides, using your logic, than horde questing isn’t cannon because those who did it on alliance side never saw it. Stop being obtuse. You got proven wrong, just deal with it and admit it.
If you headcanon that Alliance content doesn’t exist all you have is headcanon, and I don’t see why you’re bothering talking on a story forum if you’re going to actively try to ignore parts of the story.
I’m saying they are in Alliance only content. In the Alliance story you see a Horde that is deliberately killing civilians. In Horde content, there is none of that and you even protect civilians.
Event that occur for only one faction have never been canon. Live with it.
I genuinely don’t see how the two events can’t both occur. It seems logical to me that even if a horde player theoretically spares all of the civilians, someone moves in afterward to kill them off. If I were doing a hypothetical series of quests where I wanted those NPCs dead, that’s exactly how I’d do it - it’d make sure the characters die regardless of the player’s choice.
Kinda like how the player’s decision to spare Sira is ultimately worthless.
You are ignoring the fact that it happens after the Horde scenario, and before the Alliance one. Of course the Horde player doesn’t see it happen because it happens once they are gone but before the Alliance player gets there.
So because the Horde protecting civilians only occurred in Horde only content therefore it is not canon and thus the Horde did not protect civilians?
Am I following this correctly?