I get your point, it’s just not valid. You can’t push all the blame on Sylvanas. Sylvanas wouldn’t have accomplished squat without the Horde, and certainly wouldn’t have succeeded in burning down Teldrassil along with it’s inhabitants.
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Once again it was about BRINGING UP hitler stuff,AND about the comparison to hitler to bring across the point. There was no need to godwin basically.
What is this discussion? Are you debating semantics? As if that was going to make it any better? It doesn’t matter if it started out as genocide, but it effectively was genocide or at least an attempted genocide. The fact that it didn’t succeed doesn’t detract from that.
This attack was at least an attempt of genocide, it might be that they didn’t necessarily intend to destroy ALL Night Elves, meaning that they wouldn’t follow refugees to the ends of Azeroth just to finish all of them, but it was an attempt to completely destroy their nation, society, culture and, if to achieve that, they had to kill all Night Elves in Kalimdor it was fine to do so.
Now, you can say that that goal wasn’t what they said to the rank and file of the Horde army, but you, as a player, when you’re doing that quest chain you’re assisting on a genocide. You can also say that once the true goals was discovered the faction broke off, but even that isn’t true because the Horde only turned on Sylvanas after her actions started to affect the Horde. Right after Teldrassil you see all of them there in Lordaeron next to her. Sure, there were complaints and backdoor whispers about it, but nobody but Saurfang stood up to her until much later when the Horde was losing the war and she was more interested on doing her stuff with Azshara and even then only completely took root after she called the Horde “nothing”. Literally the last quest-chain of the war campaign.
So yeah, the Horde isn’t innocent. You have a political entity that was more thank happy to abide by Sylvanas as long as their goals were aligned, i.e. winning the war, and only revolted against her after she started to lose militarily.
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My point was that it was never in their goal to go “destroy the tree” (and please most of the night elves were not at the bloody tree at the time it went poof, they were likely stationed elsewhere, Hell i would say that roughly the same casualty rate of Battle for lordaeron was mirrored in the war of thorns.
As for the “Assistin on genocide” stuff… Who cares I got a mount for the event (on my night elf toon too so i got two mounts from it). If blizzard told human players “Burn stormwind to cinders for 100g and 350 azerite power” I bet you they would do it in an instant. And you are the person talking about “Semantics” lol
And lastly as night elf posters needs a reality check every now and then. Get a grip of yourself you are a human being and not a night elf.
This is objectively wrong. The Horde blitzed through Ashenvale and killed every Night Elf that crossed their path, civilian or otherwise. Now did the Horde player kill them? No, although I think some did as it was an option, but when you come through as Alliance all the Night Elves are dead in War of Thorns. So clearly some part of the Horde decided to just kill everyone.
Then you have all of Darkshore that was attacked which likely killed many Night Elves, AND then Teldrassil wasn’t just Darnassus. Don’t forget it was an entire zone that had its own ecosystem. There were several Night Elf settlements and there is no way they escaped.
So no, it isn’t even close. War of Thorns was way worse than the Battle of Lordaeron where we see that the civilians get evacuated as Sylvanas planned to blow up the city anyways.
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It’s frustrating because having to hold up things like “oh the horde didn’t mean to do a genocide” is damning with the faintest of praise, and I’m not really sure what the goal is in trying to make a distinction. In the end, the horde cleared a path to give Sylvanas the option of being able to do it, and it was a miserable story experience.
I feel that the Godwin argument is a lost cause because the game material itself went out of its way to instill these thoughts into the playerbase’s collective mind. One of the short stories (Elegy?) specifically mentions how it’s going to end the night elves as a nation, and drops the word genocide itself. It not only seems natural that people jump to the Hitler comparisons, but I feel like the game wanted people to do so.
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The godwin stuff was more or less me seeing it as lazy to bring up and just something I dislike because well… such analogies are quite lazy to make. It is unnecessary as it paints the faction it is about in such a white/black way and it just feels so uncivilized when used in arguments.
I get that you have an election in america but still.
Well, so far…
I mean, Blizzard clearly has no other direction for the Horde to go on. We will have an expansion where the Horde gets to help Jaina “purge, what purge” Proudmoore rescue Andiun and friends. We will have another expansion centered around Alliance lore. Then Blizz will look at the faction war again. They will take another Horde character, have them overthrow the council, and we get another villain bat.
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Given that Blizzard has said that Garrosh was “literally Hitler” and BfA is only Garrosh 2.0 (or Garrosh+)…
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Only in Alliance content. In Horde content you protect them.
Alliance takes place after the Horde one. So yes, while the Horde PLAYER protects them, clearly some other agent of the Horde just killed them anyways before the Alliance player shows up.
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Or they could finally let some of that Alliance pent-up frustration loose and hit them with the Villain bat. Hell, lets not even go that far, lets hit them with the antagonist stick for a while. Who’s characters are on the defending side of these Faction Conflicts gets a sizable proportion of Plot Armor for lasting development … the Horde could really use that.
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Speaking of alliance and corruption, What is the House of nobles role in stormwind? I know Blizzard knows about them given they made Turalyon “lord protector” or whatever.
That’s fine, but the Alliance better get to just wreck the Horde and do as much damage to them. I would like to have some “pump up, fist bump” (by Blizzard’s definitions) moments where we feel awesome and powerful sticking it to the Horde.
And then have our leader go nuts and end up getting killed while Horde characters get built up and expanded on.
Yeah, assuming events (ie using Head Canon) to try and claim the Alliance story supersedes the Horde story is not “objective”.
And even then, the quest where you explicitly save civilians under Saurfang’s orders directly conflicts with “The Horde blitzed through Ashenvale and killed every Night Elf that crossed their path, civilian or otherwise.”
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We’ve got some tauren you could cook. I bet they’d smell good too.
Sylvanas wasn’t successful with the extinction of the Night Elves. 
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They could. They won’t. IMO, BfA is how the writers see the Horde.
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Yes, that part happens BEFORE the Alliance player gets there. We show up to Astranaar and Delaryn Summermmon talks about how the Horde came through and attacked and killed everyone.
I like the Tauren though. They are chill people.