I agree that it needed to be portrayed better, but how else do you think the bulk of the Horde was still supporting her at the end, when she’d been losing ground and lives up to that point? At one point Nathanos stated the Alliance would win the war in a matter of weeks. If Sylvanas wasn’t using her charisma and propaganda to keep the masses of the Horde thinking the war was going well, I don’t see how they could have continued supporting her. At the very least the worst of the morally objectionable stuff had to be kept out of public knowledge.
Most of the horde wasn’t supporting her at the end though, that’s the thing. Nathanos and co were literally recruiting vendors and innocents inside orgimaar to defend it’s walls in Siege of Org 2.0.
I might be wrong, but when Anduin and Saurfang were in Dustwallow Marsh getting ready to attack Orgrimmar, didn’t Orgrimmar say that most of the Horde still supported Sylvanas?
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I’m not exactly sure on the numbers, only that Natty and co were recruiting people inside Orgimaar for it’s defense. Doesn’t seem necessary if she still had the support of the majority of the horde, you know?
Well, the goal was the death of as many as possible on both sides. I looked up the cinematic. Anduin comments, ‘so few,’ when he looks on the forces Saurfang had gathered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjwOglqONg&feature=emb_title
So few, in comparison to what though? It’s implied that the vast majority of the Kaldorei and Worgen forces were still in Darkshore fighting to retake it, which would explain Tyrandes noteable absence. We don’t even know how many horde were inside the walls, only that it necessitated Sylvanas and co to start recruiting more for Ogrimaars defense.
Something else to consider is that Alleria mentions to Anduin that, " Sylvanas commands what may be the only army capable of defeating N’Zoth. For the sake of Azeroth… perhaps we should stand aside and let her."
Sounds to me as if the bulk of the Horde was supporting Sylvanas even then. Deluded into it.
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He says that, but if you go the loyalist route you see a different story with Sylvanas having closed down the portal network prior to the alliance/rebel attack so people couldn’t leave and civilians attacking the Horde PC for taking down Anti-Sylvanas propaganda posters.
They do recruit some civilians to help fight, but the forces inside Org are pretty slim.
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Ah, I didn’t go the loyalist route so I missed that. Thank you!
And Alleria was clearly proven wrong on that matter. Because we know Sylvanas had no intention of fighting N’zoth and besides, I think Alleria was quickly rebuked by Anduin and co when she made that comment. But I could be wrong.
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Zug zug.
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More like it was pointed out to her that Sylvanas wouldn’t help them anyways.
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If you have to ask, that’s kind of the definition of it not being shown.
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I chose that path out of pure spite, but I’m honestly glad I did in the end.
The loyalist route made sure to tell you that you were wrong for supporting Sylvanas in the end by having Horde civilians attack you, forcing you to beat and chain Eitrigg when he was trying to help you (you even get special dialogue text with him after*), and watching what happened inside Org while the rebels were coming expecting some massive army of Sylvanas loyal Horde soldiers.
*"Name, we must speak.
The choice you made in the Hall of the Brave… I don’t hold it against you. We each did what we thought was right.
Leave it in the past. What matters now is how we reunite the Horde. This is how we start."
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Who’s your Alliance main?
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So what’s the insinuation? That because I don’t like the way the Horde is being written then I must be an Alliance player in disguise? Please tell me where I’m wrong factually? All I said happened did happen, we did lose the war, we did follow Sylvanas, we did the quests where we had to “kill as many people as possible” while on the Alliance the focus was always to end the war and capture Sylvanas. You might disagree with my opinion of such writing but all of that happened.
But yeah, I’ll be the first to say that I play both factions but my main is an Orc warrior called Broxar. However, I usually don’t let a silly faction fanboy-ism cloud my judgement of the story.
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Since the Horde is a fresh union, with the variety of extremely different cultures, who do not belong to each other in a real world. Isn’t it how it should be? Oppression, problems, distrust, misunderstanding?
The Alliance consists of races who know of managing their allies, of land and politics. While the Horde is as an emotional teenager compare to them. It’s promising, but still growing through problems and slowly understanding itself.
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The Alliance is as much of a fresh union of races who didn’t even know each other existed literally 15 years ago in-game (Humans, Draenei, Night Elves), so I’d say that’s a pretty flimsy excuse to portray a faction as going out on a genocidal spree every three years.
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Canonically? All of them. You can make a case for Lordaeron not being a victory, but it definitely wasn’t a victory for the Horde. We went in there with the goal of defending the city, instead we filled it with plague, killing our own soldiers and enemy soldiers alike, and making it uninhabitable. Blizzard has confirmed that the Night Elves and the Worgen have successfully recaptured Darkshore, they successfully defended Arathi, they successfully sacked Dazar’alor, they successfully ousted Sylvanas and they successfully ended the war. I can definitely comprehend the frustration from Alliance side of not having some of these victories be shown in-game, because you know due to game mechanics the warfronts need to happen every week, or even the frustration of feeling that their faction didn’t go far enough. However, the Alliance’s goal was never to end the Horde, that might’ve been the wish of Genn and others within the faction, but you see during the war campaign that their goal is to END the war and in that they succeeded. Also, look at the discrepancy in the internal stories of Zandalar and Kul Tiras. The Alliance successfully helped Kul Tiras, the Proudmoore family and brought a powerful ally to the faction. We did help Talanji at first, but then we failed to defend the city and watched as they killed their king. Honestly, why are they even in the Horde? All we did was bring war to their shores and gave nothing in return.
That underdog feeling is definitely what attracted me to the Horde, but still Blizzard has done a better job of translating those differences in the past. You know, in a way that doesn’t make us look so bad.
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That’s because the Horde is no longer an underdog and hasn’t been for the past few expansions. Blizzard has to find a new angle for the Horde now, that one doesn’t work anymore and the ‘‘villain’’ angle doesn’t seem to be too popular.
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