I think as Drahliana said, the Second War was the lowest point (concentration camps, MU Draenor destroyed, faction in tatters), but as far as WoW is concerned, I would actually say MoP when we had to go besiege our own capital city to capture our own former-Warchief.
As an orc, I would say WoD was our lowest point in terms of our race because not only did we slaughter half the population of Orgrimmar, defeat our own faction leader, then we had to go into the past and slaughter the indigenous population of Draenor.
This is nothing by comparison. You can tell how Blizz stayed their hand in the second siege of Orgrimmar by pulling out that silly Mok’Gora plot so that Saurfang could die in a humiliating fashion. Thanks.
I would say on that front that Demon Hunters were the worst thing to happen to the Horde since Burning Crusade. What are we, 40% Belves, now?
I routinely get into 5 mans where everybody other than me is a Blood Elf.
I’ll take the camps over the villain-bat. At least we’d have a legitimate reason to fight and dislike Alliance. I’ll also take that over getting another Wrynn speech in our Faction capital.
I would argue that BFA Horde was at a very low point, but not narrowly as bad as it was with Garrosh.
The Siege ended at the gates, rather than a war-path carved through the city. Sylvanas was not holding the people hostage, those who disagreed did get the chance to choose their side. Sylvanas simply echoed the desire of the Horde’s own progress, while Saurfang chose a more united approach. these conflicts came to a strict head with Sylvanas’s anger showing her true motives.
The Horde didn’t lose itself the same way it did with Garrosh. The Horde paraded with Theramore’s demise; and Teldrassil’s destruction was a splitting point through the Horde. Some embraced the destruction, others absolutely hated it. Echoing the same struggle of conquest and honor.
I don’t know. The 2nd War was a low point but the Orcs were played pretty hard back then and honestly there wasn’t much to forewarn them about it.
The start of Legion was worse IMHO cause Vol’jin went down too easy and a ghostly voice from beyond the grave told him to put the one person in the warchief chair that shouldn’t have been put there.
It was basically Kil’jaden posing as the Ancestors to Ner’zhul all over again right when Kil’jaden made his return and even though people from the last time are still around (looking at Saurfang and Eitrigg).
It felt like they had Vol’jin combine the mistakes of Ner’zhul and Thrall (appointing Garrosh).
BFA was just all of us putting up with the consequences of that mistake. (And likely Shadowlands as well.)
I just wish blizzard would stop having the horde gut itself to learn from it’s mistakes. At the current rate they’re going, the rabid NE fans won’t have anything to worry about, the horde will literally just wipe itself out if can’t reign in it’s bloodlust. I put the blame on the writers for this mind you
I also hate how the alliance is constantly the Always pure and perfect who can never do anything wrong faction. They commit a morally grey action? The narrative will quickly bend itself to justify it in some absurd manner.
The problem with this is to keep the Alliance the “always pure and perfect” faction, they have to write them as completely incompetent. It is even worse now since we are forced to follow Anduin.
Oh…don’t get me started on the golden boy of the alliance. My hatred for him is…I’ll just say there aren’t enough words in the english language to describe how much I hate him and how the narrative bends itself to Always prove him right, even when he callousely throws away the lives of Kaldorei and Worgen and than doesn’t even have the courage to put the final nail in the coffin of the zandalari.
And than it’s like, they didn’t even learn their lesson from the first four times they did this. It’s like, when are the orcs ever going to learn? Want the horde to commit genocide? Sure, just have someone yell Lok’tar or For the Horde!
Blizzard really made the horde look like a bunch of simpletons who don’t need much prodding to go on a genocidal spree.
To be fair, the Horde never had any reason to doubt Sylvanas. She’s incredibly charismatic, was appointed by Vol’jin who himself had been appointed by popular support, and had a good record of battle experience. She knew how to command the loyalty of others, whip them into a blind frenzy, use propaganda and misinformation to her advantage. Really, the Horde are victims of the Fourth War as much as the Alliance has been.
I think there is at least a silver lining to this; once you’ve hit rock bottom, there is only one place to go: up.
Well, we all know the writers are incapable of writing the horde as anything more than genocidal monsters who feel bad shortly after because…Monster Races and…yeah, that’s all.
