I see, thanks. I’ll keep this possibility in mind.
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Possibly. But Sargeras is still alive. I have a suspicion that the things that Illidan said and did will have extra meaning in the future. There is Gul’dan’s claim that, if we do not take it literally word for word, could imply the alliance seeking for aid of remains of the Legion.
Given that the main source of power in Shadowlands and for the forces of Death overall seems to be souls, and that the Legion used souls as a fuel, that seems like a very fitting option to “counter” the upcoming threat.
Gul’dan (Nighthold):
Your pathetic Alliance will fall to dust. Your new boy King will bow down and serve me, as will all of you!
But, who knows what the devs think about all of it.
[edit: I should also mention Elisande who looked through timelines or something, and saw that to survive Legion would be necessary. But, oh well, if nightborne were destined to join the horde, her plan would not work, it seems]
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With Sargeras having nothing to do besides sit and watch the universe and listen to his family and illidan lecture him, he might find an important truth. The truth that he was deceived by the forces of Death so completely that they fully infiltrated his crusade based on a lie and had his complete trust. Sargeras isnt the type to suck it up when he’s been duped or defied. If and when he finds out what actually happened and what he was deceived into doing, I suspect the Shadowlands is gonna be in some real trouble. The Legion isn’t “gone”. It’s simply inactive with all of its centrl leadership dead forever or imprisoned. But were he to be released, the Legion would immediately answer his call to destroy whoever he points them at. They just wanna wreck stuff but demons are too chaotic to form a Legion without titan or eredar leadership.
Nah, posters get diced up into groups. The more extreme get made fun of while the more moderate posters get real discussion.
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Possible futures that didn’t happened. From meta perspective prophecies are close enough to be relevant but not always accurate. From meta-meta since sometimes they discard planed plotlines they are relevant to another Earth timeline.
We can examine the option that a mastermind produces false but close enough prophecies to stir the timeline in his/her favor but i don’t think they plan so deep.
I think the burning of Teldrassil had all pieces to be an absolute win on the notion of having a “Battle for Azeroth.” Under the pretense that Teldrassil were to be burned because of the hardship the Horde would have in occupying it, instead of Slyvanas just getting a high K/D to killstreak the shadowland expansion, It would of put the Horde in less of a mustacho’d villian light, and given a strong reason for war. I’d also feel like the burning itself would be a lot more justifiable since the Nelves have been nothing but nusiances to the Horde since day 1, and taking out such a strong ally of the Alliance would help in their efforts to defeat their long-time rival.
Weird how no one thought of evacuating the citizen Nelves’ during the week-long stalement though.
Oof that’s a big ask. Orgrimmar has been an established city for decades now, is it just going to be deserted? Torn down? Or are Alliance races going to move in and use it?
Not to mention where are the Tauren going to go? Highmountain? That’s a lot of beef to up and leave their ancestral home.
Darkspear were forced out of Stranglethorn and established Echo Isles, are they to move again but to Asuna or Zul’Drak?
Goblins run cities like Ratchet and Gadgetzan (although they’re depicted as small towns in game), where do they go? What do they do?
Do the Forsaken take over Icecrown?
Do the Blood Elves abandon Quel’Thalas and move in with the Nightborne?
It just sounds like a logistical nightmare. It would actually be much simpler if Night Elves moved to the EKs. Grow another big tree over there somewhere.
But we all know Night Elves won’t want that.
Then there begs the question about allied races, what do they see with this Horde in defeat, heads bowed in shame to saunter off into a corner of Azeroth out of the Alliance’s sight. Surely it would seem pathetic and a faction unworthy of their support.
The whole drive of Thrall’s Horde in the beginning was fighting for their piece of the world, to live and to survive. If the Alliance demands they up and move so they can claim the entirety of the EKs to themselves and Night Elves get all of Kalimdor to themselves would be an absurd demand to say the least. If there’s going to be a reason for another war between the two factions in the future, I’d say this is a justified reason for the Horde to fight, this time though, guilt’s not included.
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I mean sure its a big thing for the Horde to just up and leave however its not like they are tied to the land they occupy all these cities are only 10-20 years old.
Even the Tauren were nomadic wanders that really didn’t have a settlement until they built thunder bluff.
The important thing about this move would have to be the Hordes decisions to move away. It wouldn’t be due to the Alliance forcing them to concede the lands.
I mean the Allied races among the horde would probably support them for the simple fact that they are strong ties to the core races of the Horde and not drawing them into more wars.
It also give the horde room to develop a new story and its own lands rather than having to rely on the Alliances resources and trade.
Honestly I’d agree this would be better but it will never happen. That would be like the Zandalari giving up Zandalar.
This didn’t work though, all he did was put the Horde in a situation where they couldn’t sustain themselves and placed them at odds with the locals.
How does that make the Horde any less villainous?
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Villainous to burn an enemy’s capital city and it’s of military and financial power to further your cause? It’s a war, do you want the Horde to ask the Night Elves to stop fighting for the Alliance nicely? Send chocolates to all the Horde soldiers the Night Elves killed with a sorry note?
It’s a war, there will be hostile or aggressive action. If there wasn’t, there wouldn’t be a war
Well–is the Horde still attacking for the same reasons? Because the start of the war is a pretty big sticking point here. And “Meh, this is hard, let’s just burn it” doesn’t sound non-villainous to me.
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Flat out, the Alliance needs to be dastardly. Trying to murder us for Azerite would’ve cut it, but that ship is long since passed.
It’s beyond frustrating that we stood beside Jaina as the blood elves came for due justice. We stopped them to aid her, the Alliance, excusing what few crimes she has committed. But like… we never get that bandaid. The best we get is a “stay of execution” in Cataclysm. BFA is a modicum better because the Alliance literally cannot kill the Horde off right now – but they’d maybe be able to in a few years.
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Do you keep a database of screenshots from people on the forums or something? That’s creepy.
When he first started out here, he had a thing where he’d argue in partisan threads and claimed that his take was more honest because he was “bi partisan” and loved “both factions.” So, when he dropped the guise you bet I took a screenshot of it.
But to answer your question,
No, it’s just him.
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That doesn’t change the fact, that i have Hordechars
And I have alliance characters but that doesn’t mean I try to say I’m not biased toward the Horde when it’s really painfully obvious that I am.
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I even have a Horde character again (I mean… what do you really expect, when they lock an Alliance mount behind Horde content?). I can only really stomach playing him by RPing him as entirely CC neutral. And I still don’t particularly like him. But, I have him.
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but i´m not biased, i´m against horde in the term of teldrassil, and i never argued in favor of the alliance during the purge of dalaran, so…and now?
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But it throws some doubt on your claim to not be a “faction guy.”
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i main alliance and i hate it, zahirwrite can hate the horde and play mostly horde and alliance on the side and still say he is mostly not a faction guy, there you got nothing again, carry on with your discussion.