Eh…to be fair, I can count on one hand how many alliance leaders that have any actual depth to them. Most are blander than a carboard box. Let’s not act like the alliance leaders are super well written characters. Most of 'em aren’t.
Well written? No, you are probably right. There are only a handful that could probably be classified as such, and who that handful is would depend on each player. Well developed tho? No one can say that the Alliance doesn’t have a very healthy roster of A and B list characters to fall back on. The NEs alone have like 4 or 5: Tyrande; Malfurion; Jarod; Maiev; and Shandris.
I mean, think on this. If Thrall and Rexxar (I assume) had not come back, the most developed characters left to the MU Orcs (the main race of the Horde) would be Eitrigg … and Cromush. That’s pretty humbling. And the Darkspear and Forsaken are off way worse than even that.
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Well, I do.
Highmountain is mostly, y’know, mountains, and parts of it are perpetually snow-covered. You can only do so much with terrace farming.
Suramar is mostly a city. They must have had to magic their food for 10K years, because there are no farms there.
And of the three zones of Zandalar, one is desert, one is swamp, and the third is also half-mountain.
All of these places have comparatively low populations of their own. I’m prepared to stretch my imagination far enough to believe they can scrape together enough food from hunting, fishing, gathering, and limited farming to feed their own people. But my imagination doesn’t stretch far enough to see them having the surplus to feed the entire Horde.
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Don’t get me wrong. I feel terrible about the position blizzard has put the horde and it’s player base. And it is sad that so many of the horde races have so few memorable leaders to feel the spots on the roster. They really are in a bad spot regarding that and the story in general.
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Then why not just use that same magic to feed the Horde itself?
And there’s also another place the Horde can get enough food from. The Valley of the four winds. Trade with the farmers there and no horde member will ever go hungry again.
We don’t know anything about this magic. I’m only conjecturing that it even exists, because it’s never mentioned in the game.
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It’s probably Conjure Food. Just on a city wide massive level. Which was probably extremely easy for them to do, given they had access to the Nightwell to give them virtually unlimited mana to tap into.
They have to start somewhere. Horde got Suramar and Highmountain in their ranks after (I could be wrong, did not get to that part of the story yet, so feel free to correct) the alliance participated in fixing their issues. Not saying the horde should see an event where they spend unspecified amount of time to help a new force only to see them siding with the alliance, but some participation could be ok.
Of course, that it what I would say if the story would be known for consistency and logic. As is – eh… maybe? I mean, if that would be optional for the players, and would be focused on NPC interaction mostly. Not sure WoW was ever subtle or careful in story telling, but if we’re discussing “what if” scenarios, why not discuss reasonably decent options, and what could be considered decent.
Well, we have some human leaders not opposing the idea of the gathering, like Turalyon and Genn. There are Calia and Anduin supporting the idea of reuniting those who were separated. But who knows how the devs see it all going.
I hope not
That sounds bad. Maybe the devs will take some time to build up other characters who actually could represent the faction.
I still have some hope that there are forsaken who will be too willing to join the living and they will drag her out.
gl hf
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LOL WUT?
Horde had one (1) victory throughout BfA, The WoT. This was the entirety of the Horde war machine against a token force of Night Elven guards and civilians. You’d think that the Horde would just roll over them but no. Horde lost massive numbers against part of a single Alliance race.
After that 1 victory that should have been a curb stomp Horde won nothing else militarily.
The Horde wasn’t portrayed as strong at all. Dissent was shown even at the beginning of the WoT and it only got worse as things went on. Between Saurfang and Baine there was no unity. The division within the faction had already become a problem. Lo and behold we have yet anther civil war that requires Alliance to help fix. We get another Wrynn speech in Orgrimmar after it’s all said and done.
Yeah, Horde was SO strong in BfA.
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If that is the answer, then they don’t have that unlimited mana source anymore. So I still doubt that they could magic up enough food to feed the entire Horde.
(Conjure food makes the whole economy of Azeroth weird anyway, because it only works when it’s convenient for the plot.)
Weekly reminder that it wasn’t an “arid desert” when they settled there. It was harsh, but it didn’t look like it does now.
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A) Moral high-ground
B) Villain bat
Those were the outcomes for BfA. Which would you rather end up with? You can only pick 1.
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Oh, right. I had forgotten Daelin had deforested a good portion of it. Still though, the NE don’t owe the orcs anything for the predicament the orcs find themselves in. Generally a bad idea to keep antagonizing your neighbors and than demand resources from them.
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I’d take the villian bat for a change. I’m tired of the Can never do anything questionable or wrong alliance and I’m certaintly not alone in that sentiment.
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Schools_of_Arcane_Magic_-_Conjuration
More formidable specialists in conjuration can summon several glasses of water at once, or perhaps even a tankard.
No idea if it relates to the Nightborne’s ability to feed themselves or not, but it’s definitely not a sustainable way to feed the number of people in the Horde that would need to rely on it.
Might as well get the Kirin Tor together to make Org float so they can go through a drive thru in Stormwind.
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And I’d take the moral high-ground for the Horde. But that’s not what we were given in BfA.
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Sadly. It would be a nice change though, if the horde could at least ONCE be justified in attacking the alliance was my point.
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On a less pessimistic note, lets talk Horde SLs. Since the Horde has been effectively broken down an absurd degree, I guess the only course is REALLY get back to our roots here. Since the only Horde characters that managed to sneak their way in SLs that are likely to come out of it are Thrall, Vol’jin, and Baine … one would hope that these three will get some growth. There is also Calia … but I can’t really concieve of any growth “away from her people she’s supposed to be getting know” that would translate into her dealing with her massive deficits as a prospective Forsaken leader…
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As such, for Thrall. Guy just needs to get back to his WC3 roots and make that damned statue a reality; literally and symbolically. We don’t need or want him to be Warchief, but we do need him to at least take pride in being the MU Orc Leader at the very least. God I hope his Doom-General Mother kicks his mopey butt into the Orc Chieften he was always suppose to be. Then we can get him Doomhammer back and finish his transition into MCU Thor. Which, I mean … Enhancement shaman with Stormbreaker and Mjolnir…
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Vol’jin … becoming a Loa is fine. I was ultimately fine with the reasons Rezan gave the last of his being to Jin, as well as the responsibilities and expectations included in that act. It can also tie into Sen’jin’s prophecy pretty nicely, and give him a power boost. That being said, he can’t become Darkspear leader again (Rokhan actually does need to be invested in there), but does need to be regularly present and active with the Horde Troll factions at the very least. As does Bwonsambi, who takes on a similar role.
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Finally we have Baine. For the first time in ages he is in a position for his characterization to come before his needs to be a token good-horde plot device & being Anduin’s accessory. What he needs is a continuation, but harder lessoned, of the Tauren Heritage questline. This cow needs to gain Cairne’s balance of being peace-oriented, but knowing when and how to use force. Whether that growth comes from Cairne, Huln, or both … it should end with a recreation of a SLs crafted Bloodhoof Rune Spear. In short, Cairne/Huln him up!
Beyond this though … have Turalyon do something horrible to the Horde while we’re all trapped in SLs. Put that new council and those new leaders under pressure to test their mettle. I dunno, have the Lightbound show up and give the Blues the power and motive they need to really slam into the Horde. Destroy a few cities for a while, thats cool. Those left behind really need character growth, and if Calia is going Horde she needs a reason for distance from the Alliance. Plus, the Alliance being used to shepherd in the Light Cosmology enemy is a “grey” enough tansition.
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I know we know that conjuration magic exists. I just mean that we don’t know exactly how the Nightborne fed themselves while in the bubble. The idea that they used magic is just a guess based on the fact that we don’t see any obvious food sources in the game zone.
They should flesh out Romanth more too. He’s been so criminally under used. And I agree about Turalyon and having the alliance launch an unprovoked attack while the majority are trying to fix the realm of death and dealing with Sylvanas.
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Yes they do. God that poor dude…
It would be really easy to do this. Like, there was enough there from the less idealistic Alliance leaders to suggest the only reason they didn’t destroy the Horde was that they didn’t want the catastrophic costs it would likely require to do it. In short, it wasn’t worth it to most of them. The Lightbound offset those costs. However, they don’t know the true nature of the Lightbound or Yrel. Turalyon still has a Dread Lord hanging out with him. Just give them an motive like the assassination of someone like Faol or Genn is pinned on the Horde … and boom, thur ya go.
The Alliance get some lovely payback at the Horde using the added power of the Lightbound; the Horde Council and those leaders that desperately do need growing opportunities get them; and the Lightbound are shown learning from the Iron Horde’s mistakes and doing a subtle invasion using the Faction that doesn’t really know any better. We all get back from Death-Land just about the time the Horde is on its breaking point, and things are starting to get really screwy with the Alliance’s new Ally. Skipping that whole messy, awkward Faction Conflict phase.
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