It was redundant except in the ways it was worse. It was “Garrosh+, Now with more villain bat.”
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With a side of Extra Spicy Villian Bat for those we didn’t get the first 32 times already 
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The frustrating part of it is the forced peace Narrative as well as it really doesn’t work at all. The way blizzard have written the Horde shows that at a drop of the hat they will follow the next leader to war without hesitation. Council or not it doesn’t make sense for the Alliance to ever trust the Horde will ever be someone they can ever trust.
Due to the escalation of the Hordes tactics(Blitz campaigns that end up in destroying cities) it is just stupid for the alliance to think they won’t do it again and this time not do something worse.
So either there is absolutely no conflict anymore showing the Horde has changed and ignore small slights against them. Or the Conflict picks up again and this time the Alliance actually aims to dismantle the Horde so they aren’t a threat anymore without the half measures.
The Horde can never be a protagonist again and will always have to be a reactionary to Alliance aggression.
Either way they can never use Anduin as an excuse to end the war again.
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This x10000
The story is so nonsensical now that there is no reason why the Alliance shouldn’t dismantle the Horde, I don’t care how much of a dumbass Anduin is and thinks they can change, the Alliance has no reason to trust the Horde when they have started a war how many times in the span of WoW’s timeline? 2-3?
At this point the Alliance looks like total chumps who have no backbone and just let the Horde do whatever and slap them on the wrist when they do something bad. Meanwhile the Horde looks like chumps who are just idiots that will fall in line and follow a genocidal maniac at the drop of a hat.
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Part of the issue with this as Sylvanas claims that Genn will convince Anduin to start a war or that the Alliance or that the Alliance will start a war again in future and Saurfang believes her.
Yet he ignores the fact that since the Horde has been created its started every conflict it has been involved in and he was part of that. He ignores the fact that the Alliance has thousands of reasons to destroy the Horde yet is hasn’t.
It was such terrible writing to make a character that was so sick of wars and wanting the horde to be better that he would so readily agree to Sylvanas’s war.
It ruined Saurfang as a character and just made him seem like a weak willed idiot that was easily manipulated. Not to mention him essentially attempting to take the coward’s way out by suicide.
Its sad blizzard took one of the few beloved horde characters and butcher him so horrendously.
Not to mention all the other characters the expansion butchered. Sylvanas, Baine, Nathanos, Saurfang and Jaina were all written either terribly out of character or as unlikable idiots. Anduin could have been written so much better as well but blizzard is so tied to him being a non toxic masculine male pacifist in a game called warcraft that he is become so hated.
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On the opposite side of the coin, making him a war like, guns blazing masculine character would be just as cringe inducing. Not liking or wanting war isn’t a bad thing you know. That doesn’t make Anduin toxic.
What makes him an unlikeable character is that the narrative bends itself to always put him and his ideals in a positive light, even when he makes the wrong decision. That’s the common complaint against him.
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On the other hand its getting really hard to ignore the fact that we’re talking about two factions filled with races that should be bordering on extinction. Within the last 35 years near every single PC race has experienced a near extinction level event; and constant, escalating, end-of-the-world style conflict in between. The NEs aren’t the only PC race to suffer one of these events in WoW, and aren’t even the most recent (AU Mag’har currently holds that).
Like, as much as people bend to the wills of the Peaceniks, a lot of the reason they’re right really is just that its they’re the only ones allowed to utter a lot of what should truly be common sense by now. Peace isn’t so much idealism, its kind of become a literal necessity if we’re not relying on game-mechanics to constantly repopulate. Seriously, 35 years! ONLY 35 years! Where are our Kamino-esk cloning facilities that are allowing this?!
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True however the wearing his emotions on his sleeve and acting like he knows better than everyone else around him if frustrating.
This is true, The fact the his naivety keeps paying off is frustrating. If he was proven wrong once and in while and understood that some times there is no saving some people and they you need to fight would be good.
It just feels like the last few lessons his father tried to teach him fell on deaf ears.
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I get this, but Anduin’s incompetence includes getting lots of his own people killed, such as in the disastrous Dazar’alor feint. And yet the story paints him as the voice of reason and a saviour of lives. Where is the bit of the story where his morals have to clash against the demands of wartime sacrifice? He gets to wear the laurels of a peacemaker and voice of reason because the story remains blind to his stark and costly mistakes.
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That’s the crazy thing about BFA. Can you even FATHOM being a real human being that’s decided that this expac needs to end with a peace treaty, and ALSO deciding to start it off with a genocide???
Blizzard keeps saying they plan these things several expansions in advance, but there is just no way BFA was planned. I swear, Legion was the end of the roadmap and now they’re flying by the seat of their pants.
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Funny thing is if the expac had ended with the War of thorns and Sylvanas surprising the Horde by blowing up the tree and then them turning on her instantly. This would have saved the horde for being complicit with the act and at the same time making the true antagonist sylvanas.
I think that would have been a way better conclusion and better received, Though they were copying MOP so had to blow up an alliance city to start off with cause they had to follow the same formula.
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Not by Night Elf players.
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Honestly sometimes there is no pleasing everyone. Some nightelf players are unreasonable and basically want night elves to be soloing the horde by themselves and completely independent from the Alliance.
Just like certain Draenei players who use to complained about humans in the story and demanded focus only on the Draenei. As soon as they got that focus they quit the game.
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While I agree that some Night Elf players go overboard, I don’t think their feelings about having their capital city destroyed should just be dismissed either.
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It just seems that the main problem is, these NE posters and we all know who they are, always dismiss how the horde players feel about the story. They can’t grasp that BOTH sides were horribly mistreated this expansion.
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Yeah, BfA was the expansion where everyone got to feel like a loser, and get sand kicked in their face by the writing team.
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I think the writers have been given to much liberty with their story telling. They need to be reigned in and focus on writing a coherent story with believable actors. They need to stop tearing down and rebuilding the factions and focus more on what makes them what they are. For example the Horde has always had a warchief for good or bad, they are what drives the horde. The Alliance is well an Alliance not an empire or a Horde, They’re should never be a “high king”.
They need to avoid bringing real world politics into the game and focus on delivering a coherent story first that fits the universe.
They also need to focus on sticking to the Lore and stop rewriting it every expac and book. They need to plot out the story and make sure it will make sense going forwards.
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The problem with this statement is, it’s only ONE faction they keep tearing down and than doing patchwork repairs so the horde can somewhat function as a actual faction. Doesn’t help that the horde regularly loose iconic characters, who more often than not, never get replaced, or it takes blizz years to do so.
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indeed and the problem with this is that it has left the Alliance roster swollen with way too many powerhouses. It made the war narrative very hard to believe when one side if fielding demi gods and the other is just random quest giver chumps.
It doesn’t help either that the few writers that blizzard have on staff are so focused on developing alliance characters. Or alliance adjacent characters like Baine, Thrall or Calia now which Horde players hate. They also have to stop developing horde characters to only kill them shortly after.
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They really need to do an x-pac where the only time the Alliance and Horde stories converge is an off to the side battleground for PVP gameplay.
BFA made things too acrimonious and some time apart would be nice.
And I don’t mean a Horde only Kalimdor and Alliance only Eastern Kingdoms cause that is only going to cause more problems given how Exodar and Silvermoon won’t be dealt with or integrated.