Is Baine Bloodhoof a traitor or a cry baby?

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Also, omg with everything that’s been going on, what if the Tauren decide to leave the Horde? :persevere::scream:

Anyhow, considering that Baine Bloodhoof is a Peaceful, Forgiving, Honorable, Passionate Tauren warrior High Chieftan, Leader of the Bloodhoof Tribe for the Horde.

Let’s read a summary of his lore:

At the end of Wrath of the Lich King called the Elemental Unrest better known as the Elemental Invasion, Baine aids us players in Thunderbluff as we defend the city against water and wind elementals that are attacking Spirit Rise.

In Cataclysm, Baine loses his father, Cairne Bloodhoof, who was slain by Garrosh Hellscream during mak’gora. Garrosh’s unfair advantage due to some shenanigans that went on with another Tauren thirsty for power.

Baine then became the High Cheiftan leader of the Tauren but had to deal with Magatha Grimtotem who wanted to take the village for herself and her supporters since Cairne Bloodhoof (with her help).

Magatha Grimtotem then decided to fight Baine for Thunder Bluff. During the assault on Thunder Bluff, Baine, unable to gather allies within the Horde, decided to ask aid to whom he considered an honorable enemy: Jaina Proudmoore, ruler of Theramore. While in a meeting with Jaina, Baine meets Anduin Wrynn, the heir to the throne of Stormwind. Unlike Varian, Baine warms up to the young Wrynn, who, in an act of friendship, gives the great mace Fearbreaker to Baine. The hammer, one of Magni Bronzebeard’s creations, takes a liking to Baine, steadying its hold on the Tauren. Jaina, moved by the gesture between the Tauren and the human, agrees to support Baine on his efforts of taking Thunder Bluff back.

This has created a lasting friendship between Baine and the Alliance. :thinking:

Baine Bloodhoof, aka, Echo of Baine can be found as a boss in the Cataclysm dungeon. In the Baine’s boss description you read :
“Echo of Baine: Enraged by his failure to protect the world and, most importantly, the Horde, this time-ravaged shade of Baine Bloodhoof lingers within the ruins of the Obsidian Dragonshrine. Although he’s still as powerful as the tauren high chieftain from the present, within this shattered future Azeroth, this guilt-ridden echo is little more than a discordant vessel of unquenchable malice and anger.”

In Mists of Pandaria, after the conquering of Northwatch Hold, Baine was thinking about Garrosh’s thoughtless act against the elements and decided to send Perith Stormhoof to warn Jaina about the upcoming attack on Theramore. Baine also used this opportunity to return the great mace, Fearbreaker, to Anduin Wrynn, as he felt he was no longer worthy of wielding it for being part of the fall of Northwatch.

in Legion, Baine Bloodhoof fought alongside the horde during The Battle of the Broken Shore. He can be seen in the cinematic carrying Thrall to safety after being wounded during battle.

In Battle For Azeroth, During the Battle for Lordaeron, Baine Bloodhoof, being the honorable Tauren he is, was angry that Sylvanas left Saurfang behind. Sylvanas gave Baine the ultimatum of either going off on his own and dying to the Alliance or tending to the living, which led to Baine angrily saying “For the Horde” and exiting the throne room as blight poured through the city of Lordaeron.

After the loss of the Battle of Dazar’alor, Sylvanas raised Derek Proudmoore from the dead to slay members of his family. Baine, in shock, expresses his concern and tells her she’s gone too far.

Baine Bloodhoof thinks that Sylvanas’s actions are dishonorable and that she went to far and makes us, players, slay our own so he can rescue Derek and take him to his sister, Jaina.

So, now that you know the story, how can you say that Baine has not betrayed the HORDE?!? I mean, let’s not even bring Sylvanas into the discussion because, as you can read above, he sure did this before!

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Finally, a Baine post not written by a Blood Elf.

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:joy::joy::joy:

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he’s both. can’t wait to execute him in the middle of orgrimmar.

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I’m… confused by this post.

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Yes. He is both.

He deserves exile.

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Hmmm…How so?

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He’s confused because the writing is incoherent.

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Baine is the only one left on the horde who isnt either a spineless coward or mustache twirling villain.

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Baine is the only leader with a backbone.

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I’m going to be honest. I rather like the direction Baine’s story’s taken, but at the same time, he feels like another flavor of Saurfang, so eventually one of them will have to go. And I don’t know which one I’d rather keep.

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yeah, so brave going behind the back of his warchief and ambushing horde soldiers. willing to undermine his own faction for a few proudmoore headpats.

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Thank you! I edited it. I hope it helps.

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Okay, has Baine really betrayed the Horde, though, or has he betrayed Sylvanas? There’s a big difference there, and a big question for every Horde player. Is Sylvanas the Horde now? Is this what your faction is?

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My tauren alter ego look’s forward to killing you for doing so. Your cowardice and failure to uphold the tenets of the horde will deserve nothing less.

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Baine is the hero the horde needs but does not deserve right now.

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Because he hasn’t. He is guilty only of betraying the disease that has infested the Horde and turned those of simple mind down a perilous path.

Even so… great write up! I enjoyed reading it. Have a like.

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Oh, betraying the Banshee Queen, for sure. Saurfang and Baine are both 100% correct in the sense that Sylvanas is driving the Horde right off the deep end. And she’s becoming all of the things she claimed to hate in the process.

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Traitors to the Horde will die a traitor’s death! - Garrosh Hellscream

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I would be on their side (Baine and Saurfang) if they took a different approach, such as mak’gora. But they are not acting strategically and they are creating chaos and confusion within the Horde. They could approach the other leaders o the Horde, for instance and discussed this so everyone could make a sensible decision, instead of acting on their own, lead by emotions.

Thank you for the like. :blush::smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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