/shrug blizzard clearly explained why they picked 1.12 AV and in reality it was a more popular version at the time as well. So while you might like an older AV sadly it wasn’t very popular.
Offering both versions should make everyone happy but apparently there are some incredibly whiners who got offended that someone else might like a different version of AV than them.
That’s the spirit, if you don’t care about it, then screw it, right?
The reason why they used 1.12 patch data is because it’s easier for balance sake to sue that as a base. And no, no where did they mention it due to the popularity.
You keep mentioning “why” AV was changed in the first place. The problem with that reasoning is that the reasons are completely different now. Back then, players wanted faster games and needed a more “standard” set of BGs for a new honor system which lead to retail WoW.
The issues is that now, people do NOT want faster games since the player base is now different. The fact that players want classic wow means they want old AV, as the design phisolphy of the two games are different.
And no, the reason why having “both AVs” is not practical is for the same reason why having LFR isn’t practical either. “if you have LFR, nothing is stopping you from doing MC manually durrrrr” Well we both know that if LFR is added, manual raids wont exist. same logic with two AVs
Retail has the legit oldschool AV. One to one, NPCs and all. Most games still end swiftly with both teams ignoring each other and trying to rush the opposition’s base.
It’s going to be a zerg no matter what version they release.
So then the answer is that they should release the 1.5 or 1.8 AV then.
One offers more options of counterplay and variety, the other one less so.
Honestly, I don’t see why not. It’s not like we’re getting reinforcements to end stalemates.
This is a fallacy raids have no queue system right now adding an LFR would change that wheras BG’s will have a queue system so all adding 2 versions of AV would do would be to give you 4 BG’s to queue for instead of 3.
Also people do still do manual raids all the time in retail despite the presence of LFR. So no there is nothing to indicate that offering both versions would lead to only one being played, unless what you’re really worried about is what I’ve been claiming this entire time.
You know deep down that the people who want original AV are really in the minority and most people prefer 1.11 AV over the original.
Or they just offer the version they ended up with in vanilla 1.11. The version that was more popular then than either previous iteration.
There’s Korrak’s Revenge for the 15th Anniversary. Lots would like it to stay as an option, as many want it go away. Blizzard hasn’t said one way or another.
No, the people that want 1.5 AV are the majority. The reason how I know? They are playing classic.
If people want fast AVs, theyd play retail. So unless you’re saying that there are a specific group of people that want “semi-fast-but-not-too-fast” AVs (since 1.11 was between retail AV and 1.8 AV)? which seems even more unlikely.
And no, it isn’t a fallacy; you just fail to get the point. The point isn’t about the specifics of the queue, it’s about design philosphy. People will take the path of least resistance, even if it isn’t that fun, if the rewards are better/faster.
LFR, LFD, fast instances etc. all make it easier for everyone. Same with CRBGs, same with 1.11 AVs. Epics every dungeon. EZ quests. That’s retail stuff. While it’s still technically possible to manually pug for 5 mans in retail or to run to dungeons, no one does it.
Same thing would happen in a scenario where both AVs exist. While it might be possible to get 1.5 AVs, everyone would just choose 1.11 AV since its ez epics.
Just like how retail Wow is more popular than vanilla Wow. But there’s already a game for that
Well no, because 1.11 AV is not retail AV. There are a lot of people who want AV without reinforcements.
And classic is designed to lost long after people have gotten the rewards. So offering both versions shouldn’t be an issue there. People will get the rewards and are then free to do whatever they want.
Or they would choose 1.11 AV for the exact reasons that it was changed in the first place during vanilla. They prefer a map with fewer NPC’s so the focus is more on pvp.
At this point I don’t think retail has as many people as vanilla did by 1.12.
And also irrelevant, 1.11 AV was in vanilla longer than 1.5 AV and just about as long as 1.8 AV. And both the earlier versions were changed because people didn’t really like them.
1.11 AV is not retail AV. However, it’s also not original AV either. Learn what market segmentation is. There are practically no one that wants a 1.11 AV. 1.11 AV is too fast for vanilla players, and it’s too slow for retail players. By choosing 1.11 AV, you’re literally pandering to a market that is either the wrong market for classic and the wrong market for retail.
But since we already DO have retail AV…in retail no less… it’d make sense to have an older version of AV in an older game. Comprende?
That’s the funny paradox isnt it? That REMOVING NPCs actually DECREASED PVP. So you’re 100% wrong in that regard.
No 1.11 is not original AV, I never said it was. We are not getting original anything, we are getting the 1.12 versions of everything so by your logic everything about classic is apparently pandering to the wrong players.
1.11 AV is not retail AV…
Well no there was as much or as little pvp as you wanted.
If you thought it decreased pvp that was your own fault for avoiding pvp.
Wrong. We are not getting 1.12 version of everything. You seem to ignore the fact that Blizzard stated that they’d only use 1.12 as a base. Hence, why we dont have the keywring yet. Why NAx isnt out yet. Why the honor system didn’t include BGs, yet in 1.12 it did. Why the Darkreaver Menace quest only offers Helm of Latent Power, not Skyfury Helm.
1.11 isnt retail AV, never said that. But good thing you totally took that quote out of context. Again, 1.11 AV doesnt cater to any major market. Retailers want retail AV. Vanilla players want an older version of AV.
You can say removing NPCs made more PVP happen. But then you’d be wrong. And it doesnt matter what I personally do, it matters what the meta game is.
They are time gating content, that is not the same thing as them using older versions of content.
Except that vanilla players did want 1.11 AV during vanilla, but keep ignoring that.
Yes and if the meta ends up being to zerg they’ll do that regardless of version.
On that note if you are so concerned about people only wanting AV for loot shouldn’t you want them to have their own version of AV to play in so they aren’t in your precious original AV trying to get you to zerg?