Is 1.12 an AQ and Naxx patch only?

[Branardol-moon-guard (Branardol)]

It seems that these two raids will be some of the only two pieces of content not watered down by patch 1.12. This really isn’t a Vanilla experience in my view, and I think Blizzard should think about some tweaking to make all of the content viable.

Keep in mind that they are implementing progressive itemization into the six phases. They did change stats to make things more powerful towards the end of vanilla, but we will be seeing the original iteration of items in phase 1, 2, etc…

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

I think I’m just reading it wrong but just in case I’m not.

They won’t add items until the content they came out with, but they will be in there final 1.12 form when they do come out.

[Rektium-firetree]

correct, so items will be more powerful but the actual catch up gear will not be out until it should be.

[Branardol-moon-guard (Branardol)]

I think I’m just reading it wrong but just in case I’m not.

They won’t add items until the content they came out with, but they will be in there final 1.12 form when they do come out.

Really now. Perhaps I read the blue post incorrectly. Going to check now.

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Yeah I know the old itemization won’t be in.

[Branardol-moon-guard (Branardol)]

sigh, you’re correct.

@Kaivax

Along the way, we’ve seen many questions asking if we’re also retracing the steps of incremental changes to individual items and their stats that may have occurred throughout original WoW. Such a plan could be called “progressive itemization.”

Here’s an example of progressive itemization. The Tier 2 warrior Helm of Wrath originally had Spirit and Agility on it, as well as critical strike chance. In Patch 1.5.0, the helm’s stat budget was changed to Stamina, Strength, and Defense, along with elemental resistances. Then in Patch 1.7.0, the amount of Defense on the helm was reduced. In Patch 1.8.0, the 5-piece set bonus that included the helm was fixed to work with Whirlwind, and in 1.9.0, it got a better look with an art update.

WoW Classic will only include that last version of the item, as it existed in our reference version: 1.12.

However, it seems that the changes really didn’t make items more powerful, but rather took away worthless things. It’s the “catchup” items that were more powerful, which will not come until later phases. I think things will still be difficult–the only way they will be easier is because we know the content.

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Yeah most of those won’t be out until a later phase. As far as the content goes, knowledge and experience will trivialize lots of things that used to seem hard. Well that and much better computers and connections.

[Rektium-firetree]

The one actual nerf to the new gear stats is the +defence crunch that came in 1.07.

We have determined that the defense statistic was being applied to items too liberally, causing those items to be stronger than they should have been relative to other items of the same level with different effects. As a result, we have reduced the amount of defense points on all items with bonuses to defense by approximately 33% in order to bring those items in line with other similar items.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

It’s going to be exactly like someone starting in the last quarter of the game

Except for no honor system, limited raids, no dire maul …

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Yeah frankly no one is really going to have the exact same experience, which is what Blizzard tried to tell everyone from the get go. Those that started later will be closer to their norm though, especially a year or so in.

[Minnette-kargath]

They already said this is just supposed to be a museum piece. Put it out and done at the latest stage. Nothing more. It’s just supposed to show people what the game looked like at the start vs what it looks like now.

Why do people defend Blizzard doing the minimum needed to get Classic Live? I don’t understand why people wouldn’t want and expect the very best from any game company. A well made version that truly represents Vanilla will do far better then a hastily built version that doesn’t represent what people remember about Vanilla.

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Problem is that depending on when you started will change what you remember about Vanilla. In that case who is correct? I didn’t start til around AQ, so if it was a version before that it wouldn’t represent what I remember about Vanilla. Then you compound it with 8 million individuals and which is the correct version?

I woukd have loved to start from the beginning and rolled through because I didn’t get to see alot of that early stuff, but I also understand why they are doing whst they are doing.

A lot of the bugs and exploits had been fixed by 1.12. Class reworks and balance was done. Some of the technical problems had been worked out.

Then you get into the fact that we don’t know what they have data wise ( we’ve been led to believe they only have bits and pieces from prior patches) and people were already complaining that 2 years was taking too long.

They made decisions factoring in all of those things. It is what it is at this point.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

And now they get the chance!

[Urskrah-zuljin]

Where did you get that idea?

@Kaivax

Along the way, we’ve seen many questions asking if we’re also retracing the steps of incremental changes to individual items and their stats that may have occurred throughout original WoW. Such a plan could be called “progressive itemization.”

Here’s an example of progressive itemization. The Tier 2 warrior Helm of Wrath originally had Spirit and Agility on it, as well as critical strike chance. In Patch 1.5.0, the helm’s stat budget was changed to Stamina, Strength, and Defense, along with elemental resistances. Then in Patch 1.7.0, the amount of Defense on the helm was reduced. In Patch 1.8.0, the 5-piece set bonus that included the helm was fixed to work with Whirlwind, and in 1.9.0, it got a better look with an art update.

WoW Classic will only include that last version of the item, as it existed in our reference version: 1.12.

We ARE getting progressive drops, though.

@Kaivax

Developers have scoured through vendor lists and treasure tables for items that were added in patches, and then attached them to the staged content unlock plan. This means that if a new item was originally added to a dungeon boss’s loot table with Ahn’Qiraj, you shouldn’t expect it to appear in WoW Classic until Phase 5, which is the phase that contains Ahn’Qiraj content.

@Branardol-moon-guard

It’s the “catchup” items that were more powerful, which will not come until later phases.

R10 PvP gear. It was reitemized in 1.11 to be better than MC and BWL gear. I’m pretty sure that version will be available from the start.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

By the time CP6 comes out…

[Branardol-moon-guard (Branardol)]

@Urskrah-zuljin

R10 PvP gear. It was reitemized in 1.11 to be better than MC and BWL gear. I’m pretty sure that version will be available from the start.

PvP gear doesn’t come out until phase 2

@Bornakk

Here’s what the PvP content looks like mapped to the phases we recently posted about:

Phase 1 (WoW Classic Launch)

• You can PvP one another in the world, but there is no tracking, and no formal rewards for doing so.

Phase 2

• Honor System (including Dishonorable Kills)
• PvP Rank Rewards

[Urskrah-zuljin]

It’s not immediately a problem then, at least. That’s still before BWL even comes out, though.

[Karrick-shuhalo]

This really isn’t a Vanilla experience in my view,

it really isn’t, but i don’t see blizz devs rolling out the patches as they occurred. they have addressed their reasons. you can’t go back anyways. i don’t even remember 1.12 but i bet hunters aren’t wearing intellect gear.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

By the time CP6 comes out…

Which is when?

[Apropos-frostmourne (Apropos)]

It’s not immediately a problem then, at least. That’s still before BWL even comes out, though.

Tier 2 is still superior to rank 10 for pretty much every class in the game. The classes that don’t use tier gear aren’t going to be using many rank 10 items anyway.

Rank 14 is going to take at least 3.5-4 months to obtain for ~5 people on a single server.

BWL will be fully cleared the same week it gets released because people will have full MC gear and proper consumables/enchants.

Rank 13 gear is a side-grade for most casters and rank 14 weapons are only a minor upgrade for most players who aren’t orc axe spec’d fury warriors.

DPS doesn’t matter if you’re already full clearing raids in the first week. The only time dps matters is for AQ gear check fights and most raiding guilds which aren’t full of undergeared casuals who have poor raid attendance won’t have any problem having the necessary dps even without full BWL geared players.

People like to doom and gloom about PvP gear but honestly it’s so much easier just to get raid gear and still be competitive.

The only people who actually benefit from PvP gear is hybrids who want to dps and fury warriors, but horde warriors are threat capped on bosses anyway and trash clearing has never been a problem for anyone.