You will end up having ilvl be the issue if you play long enough.
I fully agree on scarcity: I don’t think having M+ throw out a bunch of heroic level loot is a bad thing. Heroic level loot is just absurdly easy to get if you raid and pvp with a moderate degree of skill or frequency. I don’t think the game would change whatsoever if M+ dropped twice as much loot.
It also wouldn’t make M+ any more desirable, because 210 ilvl is garbage.
We argued that returning to a currency system would feel more rewarding because it would give us an actual goal to work towards and not have to worry about the rng crap table dice.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they bump the 1 item worth 35 anima up to 2 items worth 35 anima… or they simply add more ranks to the upgradeable covenant gear which is currently maxed out at ilvl 197. I think it’s been long enough that the decision could be made to bump it above normal CN level.
It absolutely worked though, wotlk was easily the players’ favorite time for gearing.
people have got so used to having gear handed to them left and right that they cant cope earning gear and having gear mean something again when it drops.
I think everyone is forgetting the issue at hand.
BLIZZARD doesnt want you to PRIORTIZE M+ over RAIDING.
They dont want you to gear through M+. This is design philosophy that is affecting everyone.
They removed something fun because it goes against their requirement.
Just bring back Justice and Valor points and be done with it. Failing that, put more emphasis on crafting and let crafters make gear that is actually useful currently and not just a catch-up for alts.
Don’t we all. Don’t we all.
Why are you people upvoting this person just go buy a pvp weapon or do the covenant campign which gives you a free 187 weapon at the end lol
And Increase loot. Let people play for fun. Not some dumb metric. For once have the balls to let people have fun.
Just finished that article. Holy cow. That article was literally a giant fluff piece that offered no real questions or insights. Its like watching OANN interview President Trump.
We had reforging, but players would get something they can work with and stop farming.
Than they put the loot rate up, but gave us WF/TF, so we spend more time farming gear hoping for a TF version of our BiS.
They took away TF, but gave us corruption, so now we are farming our BiS but also the right corruption, and the right corruption level, meaning we spend more time farming than with TF.
Now no corruption, no TF, no forging, so they drop the loot rate and also lower the iLVL we get outside raid, but instead introduce the vault and PVP vendors, but put a cap in place for PVP so we can only farm X per week.
So now instead of farming to forge, or TF, or corruption, we farm for vault slots and maybe one piece of PVP gear a week. But that is not enough farming, 10 x M+, 10 raid boss and honour capping only, once we do that there is no need to farm anymore and they cannot keep us in the game because we are done for the week.
So instead they make PVP gear capped to our rating, now we push for PVP rating and keep pushing for PVP rating, and than do some more PVP. They now have a reason for us to keep farming, for PVP rating to upgrade our gear. There is always a reason to keep us farming now, they will never give us PVE tokens or reforging since we will eventually have a cap on our gear and how much content we do and they don’t want that.
Assuming they do put a forger and PVE vendor back in, they will also put something else in to ensure we never stop.
I would like to see covenant/anima gear be upgraded to your highest achievement. (Timed key, completed raid tier, etc).
Same as badges, basically. And then it synergizes with how PvP gear works.
We should get a currency from m+ that we can spend to upgrade our items to the same ilvl as our max weekly vault gear.
Cluelessness must be a job requirement.
They have reduced loot all across the board not just M+
Not everyone does mythic keys and we think the lack of loot sucks.
We don’t expect to get the gear ilvls of mythic + but we would like gear for what we do participate in .
BfA had the problem of can’t use the gear slot is already filled my as well scrap it or vendor it and after awhile you go if I’m getting gear and it’s not a upgrade why play .
Well getting very little gear is the same way not getting gear to upgrade , why play .
Like I said it is affecting all levels of players from casuals to m+ , all levels of raiding and pvp .
It’s been this way since the beginning which is the point. You were given one expansion, ONE where you break wind and epics fill your bags and you talk like the beginning was this way and it changed from BC onward to be like BfA only to end up back in Vanilla levels for this expansion only. Name one other expansion where they filled your pockets with loot. I’ll wait.
At least by then we will no longer have to worry about Covid anymore.
Totally didn’t see that time warp slip. Of course I did mean 2021. 
I don’t mind the idea of a pve currency at all. I even prefer it.
I would be fine with currency and the vault, personally, maybe with a few important slots that can only be obtained through drops, like weapons and trinkets.
But no system is perfect. If we ended up relying mostly on currency, there would be complaints about how boring it is to farm currency.
Then gear should scale down to unrated levels in unrated pvp. Otherwise you’re an LFR guy fighting Mythic mobs.