See? This is why I don’t talk to RP folk anymore. I just got done writing in there’s a difference in organization. I wouldn’t be able to do my solo WPvP in a RP server. MM is not good enough to take on entire guild groups(BTDT back in WoD). It wouldn’t be worth it if you paid my $50 for me to see it.
Hah. Talk about selective seeing. Did you ask the other forum contributors? I don’t own most of what’s here on this category.
Again, Normal-to-RP translation error. What did I say? That guy didn’t get there by himself. He wasn’t dead weight, but he wouldn’t have done more of the heavy lifting. You think I’m implied that he got there by 0% damage uptime. “Sorry but no.” But I don’t want to talk about sponsors and clubhouse crap. That’s not the PvP I love and care about the most.
No. That’s not what I think at all. You are deliberately being obtuse and trying to claim because I am on an RP realm that I don’t understand what you’re saying.
Being dead weight doesn’t necessarily mean you are doing 0% damage or not contributing. Being carried means you aren’t pulling your own weight, not doing enough to justify your position. If survival was as bad as you are trying to claim, there is no amount of work that would make up for it, because the fact of the matter is survival is better than MM and BM in pvp.
I wasn’t talking about DH’s or warlocks. I was talking about the best hunter spec. SV hunters don’t need a nerf. The other specs just aren’t viable at high level.
you should talk to MM about survivability if you think SV’s bad.
I didn’t know you had to be invincible to be a good pvp spec.
World top players will generally choose the spec that is best. Seeing how 26 out of 30 chose SV, I’d say your wrong.
Tell that to the desto mage comps.
This whole quote here is jibberish. Arena in an rp server and a normal server are the same.
Huh? lol. Bud, anyone that actually knows what surv is capable of can see thru the absolute assine dribble that you posted. As far as trying to create “more SV’s”, LOL!
What kind of delusional world do you live in? Do you fancy yourself so kind of crusader? I think you need to log off the internet and take your meds bro.
Survival is the best spec for pvp atm simply because in season 1 BFA BM was nerfed by pretty much 50%. Easier to land traps via harpoon and trackers net sure. But if BM wasn’t nerfed so hard definitely would be a contender for best pvp spec. Mm is dumpster juice, no way around that.
You know when the top BM hunters NA / EU can’t even get close to rank 1 as BM in 2s or 3s it’s a balance issue and not the players.
Crusader? You mean like what Bepples is and others? I know what SV can do because I played it for a time. You should have seen me when I commented that I was going to discontinue gear progression on it. But you don’t care what I do unless I’m doing the wrong thing. Only then are you going to ambush me. Do you see why I and others have a hard time believing you? Or do you want to be accepted? Because this is not cutting it for acceptable reception.
So you say SV is the best but you don’t want more SV’s. That fits the bill well for elitist talk. La Cosa Nostra, “This Thing of Ours”. I can get that much: you’d want SV to be YOUR own thing. Well, secret societies being what they are are automatically not going to care about those outside said societies.
You assume that because I play WoW, I’m on medication. Do you understand I wouldn’t have the RL job I do if I was on those medications? I DRIVE for a living. I understand it would be the strangest thing to you, but not nearly everyone who is current and active on WoW is a recluse nearing the fringe of society. But for you to make that blanket judgment, can I easily assume likewise that you and others who are big MSV fans are medicated NEETs?
I’ll be brutally honest: NEET-level expertise and subject matter authority still doesn’t hold much water. So there’s nothing more you can do to weigh it down.
@Dawnspirit That’s good, because you had me there.
And what weight is that? What is justifiable? The carrier makes that decision and that may vary based on the bigger inconvenient realities such as COMP and also aggregate gear levels. Because if there’s a certain minimum that I can hit as Marks that an SV is asked for, then by that logic I can become the best without switching specs.
If SV is as good as you’re trying to claim, we would see a whole lot more of them. It would be the FOTM that everyone would buzz about. That’s the TRUTH. I still see more BMs than any of the three.
I know. That’s why it’s written off in my PvP bible.
You’re not going to entertain a fact that goes against your argument and agenda. And of course you’re going to say that SV’s don’t need a nerf. Nobody wants their favorite class/spec to be nerfed. How many DHs and Destroes have we seen that went, “Yea, we do need to be nerfed for the sake of healthier balance. We are indeed too strong, and I care about what’s better for the community.” HAHA! What more do you do than everyone else? And if the other specs aren’t viable at high level, are you saying this because you actually found out the hard way, or you’re just parroting what you see and hear from those who might have been failures?
I am MM. And yes, it’s just as equally bad. The one thing I have improved are reaction times and hitting the gas out of a nasty scenario, and I’m past the prime of that in my coffee-drinking mid-30’s. I like to think I can act almost as swiftly as the best of them. I don’t do energy drinks anymore and I especially don’t do certain illegal drugs like plenty of today’s youth.
A savvy DH can take on 3 solo. Yes, some measure of invincibility is what makes a PvP spec good. A bad PvP spec is ineffectual because of the opposite word of vulnerability. Specs that can’t take pressure are bad specs and MM and SV are ones of them. BM fares a little better.
Arena is slower paced than open-world. You’d have engagements as long as 2 minutes or so. Time is not always on your side.
I think I’ll tell melee to git gudder at pillar-humping instead since that’s important too. Melee has much in the way of mobility and damage turn-off switches, so if they haven’t learned how to leverage that against them in order to put pressure back on them, I’d say that’s a git-gud problem indeed. That’s why melee has it because if melee doesn’t have it, then it becomes RangeCraft and nobody srs would want to be melee.
In case you missed it, I almost never talked about Arena. We’ll have to agree to disagree that Arena is not all PvP. You’re just a useful idiot who doesn’t know what else is out there. Arena is too nice and clean in comparison to the other venues.
Not me. You can talk Arena, but I’m not going to. I’ll listen and take note of what you say, and I’ll consider it, but I’m going to keep my high-res glasses on.
Uh, yea? Of course he did. It was nothing special he did.
You heard me. That’s what Arena really is when you learn to take the icy-blue tinted(Blizzard-brand rose tint) glasses off.
It seems like your the type of person that confuses popularity with effectiveness.
SV is the most effective hunter spec for PVP. It may not be that much played, which makes sense most hunters aren’t here for it but its hard to acknowledge its overall effectiveness in pvp.
BM has all the mobility but thanks to how blizz scales their damage in pvp its not really that scary. MM is plenty scary but is very easily shut down and unlike a lot of other scary casters isn’t very bulky but its getting more control and mobility in SL so i look forward to seeing how that plays out.
Till then though SV, thanks to its damage and that amazing mending bandage is the most effective PVP hunter spec. Gotta love that jungle.
No, this wasn’t your point with what you wrote to me at all.
All your posts/replies made here follow the same theme of you, trying to ridicule the other poster(s). You always post with the same “hidden” hostility in your written language with what I can only assume is just your way of trying to shut them up.
In short, the vast majorty of your posts are just you, calling certain posters idiots while trying to hide behind a perceived sense of authority(the same pattern as someone who tries to bully others into submission because they themselves don’t like what’s being talked about).
Having said that…
You are right here. The thing is, nothing they could say would justify what was done to SV, going into Legion.
Not unless they come out and say that the changes made were done specifically because they simply did not care about what then-current(most) hunters wanted out of the class.
None of the excuses they’ve given so far do actually hold up. None of them would’ve required SV to change from what it was to what it became in Legion.
It could all have been done without removing RSV and there wouldn’t have been a single player on here mentioning what we’ve been discussing/arguing about since then.
The actual Core Specializations we have, came with Cataclysm. And they have always had pretty much the same level of distinction between them.
What has varied is mostly the things outside of these Core Specs. Like talents/talent design.
The thing here is, there was no “glaring identity crisis” between MM and SV. Not if you look at the actual Core Specializations and what was provided by each, during MoP/WoD.
The main problem was that our talents were for the most part designed to be the same, no matter what spec you chose.
And here, I actually agree. Designing talents to be that way, was the wrong move. But going into Legion, that particular issue would’ve been solved anyway.
It didn’t require the complete removal of the Core Spec that was RSV in the process.
All that was required, was for them to do the same to SV as they did to all other specs, going into Legion.
I said it over 100 posts ago… You notoriously ignore things you don’t want to address and pretend they don’t exist. Again, it doesn’t matter what Blizz says you’d still be writing diatribes on wanting RSV back.
I haven’t PvPed for years, long before melee survival due to connection issues (play via satellite internet. ugh.), so this is an honest question. Those of you who say SV is a good PvP spec., what makes it good compared to BM or MM? I look at the toolkit and I’m not seeing it.
Besides, once again you’re wrong. As I did actually include an answer to your quote there.
If someone’s notorious for ignoring parts of what’s being posted just so that it even remotely fits their agenda or to pretend that something’s not the case, that person is you.
I don’t mean between MM and SV. I feel like there was plenty to differentiate between MM and SV, though I do find it redundant to have all 3 specs of a class filling the exact same role.
I mean between the namesake of the spec and what it had become with the shift to Explosive Shot and Lock n Load. How many Hunters do you know that would use an RPG as a weapon of choice? How long do you think they would survive after the deer they were hunting was deleted from the face of the earth in an explosion of fire that set the entire forest ablaze, leaving themselves with nothing else to hunt?
Skip to 1:00 to see a group of RSV Hunters stalking their prey.
You mean like rogues… or warlocks… or mages… you know the only pure classes in the history of wow. And by pure, I mean pure dps. Why do those 3 classes get a pass but hunters had to have 1 of the only 3 physical ranged dps specs removed to add in another melee dps spec in a game already saturated with melee dps.
