You can equip a bow and fire it.
SV didn’t lose the ability to equip bows, nor did MM/BM lose the ability to equip melee weapons.
This is the same way they are handling Shield Slam and Shield of the Righteous for Warrior and Paladin.
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That’s the whole point. Borrowed power has to be surrendered eventually, or it isn’t borrowed. If it isn’t borrowed, we get unmitigated power creep and wind up where we were at the end of MoP, where every class and spec had multiple hard CC options and escapes, doing insane 6 figure DPS, bosses that have to reset their health bar 4 times to have enough health to actually challenge people appropriately, etc.
Avoiding power creep isn’t significantly different between an MMO like WoW and a TCG like Hearthstone or MtG. Base kit stays more or less the same, then a new set comes in for Standard play and old sets are retired.
I truly believe that they need a level 15 talent called Survivalist that has the following affect: Aimed Shot is replaced by Explosive Shot (old style) and Rapid Fire is Replaced by Black Arrow. New Mastery: Increases the magic damage your attacks deal.
And then Serpent Sting should have Serpent Spread built into it.
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Sorry Ion, but SV was never meant to be a melee specialist.
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Blizz says you’re wrong.
Blizzard? Huh? Publicly traded says what?
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If it were a “miniscule” portion of the playerbase, two things would be also be true:
1.) It wouldn’t be every single mention of MSV devolving into a discussion of why ranged was better. It would be a few threads talking about RSV getting swamped by a majority that prefers melee.
2.) SV wouldn’t be the least played Hunter spec by miles.
This is the majority opinion among Hunter players. Period. Class devs should be designing specs of the Hunter class to appeal to players of the Hunter class, not to appeal to Warrior mains.
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Its pointless to explain that to them, i tried a while ago.
Probably why discussions about the class is never going anywhere. Can’t talk about it without having the topics swamped by RSV people.
That i absolutely wouldn’t mind.
The people whining about it on the forums are basically the same 4 or 5 people. This is minuscule no matter how you want to try and mince words. The point was about the same people whining on these forums for four straight years, not how many player do or do not want RSV. Maybe try reading it again.
In that case your opinion is misinformed and wrong. You clearly don’t care for ranged weapons and automatically assume every spec that uses one is the same thing. You are not the sort of player this class should be catering towards.
Survival had a different toolkit and playstyle to MM. MM focused primarily on physical, hard-casted burst while SV was focused on enhanced projectiles and sustained DoT damage. It’s a very similar distinction to Destruction v.s. Affliction Warlock yet you don’t get people pushing for one of those to get remade into a totally different spec. Or, to use an example more familiar to you: there’s an understanding that while Arms and Fury have very similar aesthetics of the rage-based melee skirmisher and even share some offensive abilities they are still distinct specs and we don’t campaign to have one of them replaced.
That’s nice. I’m not going to pretend to respect your opinion when I don’t.
It really isn’t. It’s a drain on time and money to maintain a spec that only attracts the tiniest niche of players, mostly from other classes, and conflicts with the core Hunter fantasy as even Hazzikostas admits. It’s been nothing but problematic for its entire existence and it very obviously derailed Hunter development in both Legion and BFA.
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It’s literally quite amazing that after all of this time, you still don’t understand how dumb and childish it is to tell someone their opinion is wrong… it’s an opinion.
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Says the guy who tells people their opinion is irrelevant.
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I suggest a dictionary and learning the difference between relevant and wrong. Also, you posting this is quite ironic.
Its not irrelevant, but its been four years. They gave you their answer. Its not because its not the one you want that it didn’t happen. They want SV and MM to be noticeably distinct.
Endlessly whining about it won’t change that and makes half the discussions here insanely toxic.
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What in this right here, means people have to be quiet about something? People are allowed to advocate for the things they want, whether you agree with those things or not. And contrary to the claim, pro-RSV people do not descend upon every pro-MSV thread and just utterly derail it into an argument over which is better.
They already were noticeably distinct. This is what people have been saying for some time now. Since the inception of WoW RSV, yes it was always a ranged spec, and MM were different, and as time went on they become more and more distinct and different.
Telling people to “just get over it” isn’t going to make people stop. It’s going to annoy them and make them angry and make them dig into their position even more.
Gonna let you in on a little secret. I honestly don’t care 1 way or the other. I’ve been MM since Vanilla. The only time I wasn’t a MM main, was in legion and I didn’t switch specs, I switched classes. What survival is, is of little consequence to me one way or the other. I tend to fall more on the pro-RSV side of the spec, because people like Ion say insane things like
Literally, something so bafflingly stupid it makes you wonder how he got to be in charge of WoW in the first place. If Blizz wants to keep survival as melee, shrug no skin off my nose, until they start trying to force the RSV playstyle into MM.
So in short, telling people they’re wrong, or their opinion is irrelevant, or to just get over it, because they want RSV over MSV is not going to make them stop. Blizzard is not infallible and just because they’re the ones making the game, doesn’t make them right about everything and that people can’t give feed back about what they want.
If you want to have a thread for pro-MSV, to try to make MSV better, go for it. I stay out of those thread for the most part. I do skim them on occasion, see what’s being said. But there is this neat little thing you can do, if someone does try to derail the thread. Ignore them. I know, it’s a novel concept, but it does tend to work.
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Without talents, you have a spec that applies Serpent Sting, uses bombs on cooldown and spends all focus on Raptor Strike while praying for Kill Command resets to regenerate focus. Even with Mongoose Bite the spec remains one-note since there’s only so much you can do during the Mongoose Fury window.
Hmm…now that I think about it, that would make sense. Something like Serpent Sting DoT ticks having a chance to reset the cooldown of Wildfire Bomb.
There is potential in something like this, especially if we combine it with a repurposed Kill Command (say as direct damage + DoT that, while active, increases focus regeneration for both you and your pet) and giving survival a finisher that interacts with Mongoose Fury.
actually you are wrong when people complain they dont like something over and over and over it shows passion for something. in time blizz will make changes. look at surv in alpha. it legit got more ranged abilities added to it then melee. hell, only real melee abilities people will use is mongoose bite and auto attack.
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Nah. You like to think you’re right. But you probably aren’t.
Those that are unhappy are always the loudest. Those that enjoy the game simply don’t sit on the forums whining like you do.
There is no way to know what they will or not do. I’m also not saying those that aren’t happy shouldn’t complain.
Take it for what it is. Everyone is opinionated. You like or dislike based on x.
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not really whining??? but ok… and i am actually really happy. if i dont like how bad a class plays i play a different one of my alts. currently rotate between hunter dh and lock.
and just like you, you like to think your opinion holds a little more water, but it doesnt. and judging by out post count, you seem to be on the forums more then me so ya
Actually i offered no opinion at all. I stated that opinions exist for everyone. Reading isn’t that hard.
But I am glad you are happy. Not many that are these days! I try to find some positivity myself these days.