The sad reality is that gear-progression and item identity have become so unbearably uninteresting. Most people dont care for IO itself, but it does provide a reward mechanism which actually feels gratifying, proportional to the effort you put in; something you just don’t feel with gear progression anymore.
Its not that IO is good, in-game progression just sucks that much now.
That said, there are tons of groups which have nonsensical IO requirements which the group-leaders themselves don’t even qualify for. Pure cancer…
There is about 16 slots that I can get armor in and they have to warforge really high to be useful. There is only 1 slot that I really need a upgrade for and the system never drops anything for that slot…instead I will get just another bracer. And while I want to be hopeful. There only so many times that you can be given the same junk you don’t need before hope is just not enough to get your digital rear end to move out of town.
The gear from mythic plus that might drop is a fictional bait that is NOT worth dealing with the “people” who have infested that system.
Im no fan of io either. Im in a similar boat as u. I get why its there and if u can get a high io by just spamming +2s then thats not a good system for filtering out ppl who dont have skills for higher level keys. I do think however that me not being able to get into a +5 based on my crapy io but with aotc ghuun and 375 ilvl is kinda ridiculous.
Just be social and get into a guild. Progress like its meant to. The common denominator in your problems is you. Quit pointing the finger and enjoy the game. The rest comes naturally.
Raider io scoring system is to show that you understand the dungeon layout ( routes, mechanics, boss fights, percentages) and how the affixes affect and change the dungeon.
Having a low score means you’re a detriment/hazard to the group and “may” keep them from acquiring the purpose of running an M+ which would be to complete it in the given time to upgrade the key to give you a shot at bigger and better gear.
I’ll take someone with a 360 ilvl who has a higher score than you due to the fact that they know what’s going on
That system is mostly for pugs. Doing M+ with friends and guild members would surely be different. My guild is on a break from raiding until the next raid so I am stuck pugging M+. It was a rough start especially starting from a zero score, but it can be done. You just have to put a lot of time into it. I went from 0 to ~700 in a week just spamming low keys and eventually getting into 10s.
All Raider.io does is provide information, based on that information people decide if they want to take you or not. If there’s no IO then people will just look at your armory and decide based on that, which would yield the same result (but takes longer to do).
Actually, take your Armory, look at the highest completed key for each dungeon, multiply the level of the key by 10, subtract 10 for the ones that were not in time and add them all up… There you go, a rough estimate of your IO score (at least sub 1.2k since the IO the scoring is not linear, higher keys give even more score).
Raider IO is not a problem. Find a group of regulars who you don’t have to pug with, and you won’t be screwed by Raider IO anymore. It’s simply a tool for the pug world. Subject yourself to the pug world, apply to the pug world’s rules.
That’s the dang problem lol. I have a 360 2 week old character that has never touched a raid or M+, if I bothered logging in everyday I would be 370+, it’s stupid, it devalues gearing.
Why does someone who never raids, never M+'s, need heroic or mythic raid level gear? They don’t.
Reminds me the old argument apple to oranges. If for going to form own group. Should you not want a leader with high io as well? If his low an not high. Then why join his group? It kind of like going to a job a and they asking for experience. The problem is how you get experience when no one hires you.
I love this guy who came in for a job the lady told him that. he response was: OK tell you what you go find me a job to experience then I come back here and work for you. She said it does not work that way. he said: “exactly my point”. Boss over heard him and hired him. Turn out he really sucked. It took a few years to train right. now one best employees here.
Feel free to make your own groups and push your own key up to 10+ every week for the IO then. With the amount of players in this game who are 370+ and only capable of pulling 8-10k (or less) overall dps in a dungeon no one is going to gamble their key away on someone who hasn’t proven themselves capable when they could just invite someone else that they basically know is going to perform well.
People who complain about io scores want to be carried. Discriminating against players who had low io scores net you a higher probability of teams who can pull the necessary damage, interrupts, and ccs when applicable. I’ve told some key holders who create groups that the io scores are too low and it usually shows during the dungeon run.
If not IO then something else, people never change. A change would have to come from the actual core of the game. I’m not a huge fan when some random player says “bad player”, when you say something like that you’re being exactly that. I wouldn’t want to group with anyone with that mentality to begin with. If I never saw such a player again in a game it would be a GREAT time.
But it just shows how far the game has gone. It’s all about the gear grind, it has come to the point where people just don’t care about others. It’s all about that item level. Blizzard has won since the game is literally an item level casino. You should be in a paradise, right? Of course not because with a casino comes gambling and in our case rng.
My Shaman here has an ilvl of 373 but I haven’t done any raiding outside LFR in BFA. I also have not done anything above Mythic+0.
Will you take me along on your heroic and/or mythic raid runs because I don’t need gear from anything lower. I don’t have any relevant experience but that’s ok right? cause my gear is high enough level, right?
See why your post is silly? Raider IO let’s people filter pugs based on relevant experience with Mythic+ content, which is not the same as raid content.
Did you start raiding at or near the top? No, you learned how to play the content, found a guild and worked as a team to get experience. Why should you be exempt from doing that in other forms of content?
Will you expect to get on a 2k+ arena or RBG team because of your ilvl? No, because experience is what matters.