Besides, gives me more time to work on other things without the whole FOMO mentality kicking in and to not have to worry about that is nice. I genuinely do want Blizz and the player base to do well and thrive, contrary to what my post history might show. Majority of, if not all my posts come more from a place of frustration rather than just malice and spite.
The council, while it sounds great, I feel will still not live up to and help make the game what it should be, especially in regards to PvP as that aspect of the game is often neglected. Many people have spoken up, and there’s a thread with I think over 1k likes now that talks about the state of PvP, and still no sign of Blizz there. If they can show them love too, that’d be fantastic.
I get that. While they aren’t talking in the thread, that doesn’t always mean that they are ignoring people, but more just standing on the sideline taking notes. Having them say something does help show they are listening, but the same results could happen, even if they don’t say anything. I do get that not seeing any changes happen are what causes frustrations, but I am sure if they put in a change, then revert it, then change it again, then again over and over again based on feedback would be just as frustrating because it turns into a the Devs can’t make up their mind on what they want to do.
No, of course not. But when we learned one thing about the developers on twitter, then it is their solidarity in defending these game systems. The so called “rock star mentality” is still in place at Blizzard.
The only reason we have all these changes is the sex scandal. In another timeline they wouldn’t had to face the allegations/lawsuit and business would be as usual by ignoring the player base until the final patch of an expansion where they started “listening” to us. This is the bitter truth.
After BFA, I quit, because my 1 1/2 yo laptop had a hard time with raids and dungeons. I got a new laptop and now I refuse to do any raids or dungeons. WoW is a game and a game should be fun, challenging and you shouldn’t spend more time reading and watching you tube for directions on how you are supposed to play it. If this is a game ONLY for ONE type of player, then they should state what player that is prior to subscription! The people who got me into WoW have long since quit. When I returned after BFA I was the only one left in the Guild. I have no friends on here and I am not sure if I want any. I have never been a person who has conformed to any specific rules, I liked WoW because I could play it my way…
I’m hoping for good things from the start of the Community Council. Open, clear, respectful, and steady communication can really make a difference. Constructive input from players and Devs, and the hard work to actually communicate together from the Wow Team and players will hopefully help a lot. I have seen so many players, including myself, really want to communicate with the Wow Team and feel heard. Im hoping this will help more and more players be and feel heard and we’ll get to see more insight into the Wow Team making the decisions.
Maybe we will see some coming together between the Wow Team and players and this will benefit the game in good ways.
I truly hope the Council won’t be made up of only Youtubers, Twitch streamers, and Twitter folks. I hope a good part of the Council is comprised of players who love the game and despite any frustrations or worry over being heard, can speak up and contribute in ways they’ve wanted to contribute. And that the Dev side of it is made up of Devs who do value player presence, insight, and desire to help fix the game.
On the surface - this looks like a good idea with some possibilities for positive change.
On the surface.
I have some doubts about it though - especially given the treatment of the members of the “Secret Forum” that recently came to light. Perhaps the fact that THIS forum will be publicly viewable will prevent some of that drama.
However, it won’t prevent good feedback and good ideas from being ignored - something that has happened so often in the past it has become a meme.
The makeup of the forum members is VERY important. They need a true range of people - but I fear - like many posters above - that it will be made up of streamers and high end or otherwise highly visible people. These are NOT the people that make up the bulk of the players.
Why is a YEAR required? Maybe some time should be spent going over the good feedback that has already been given ( and ignored). That might jump things ahead a bit.
I would love to feel optimistic about this - but I am having a very hard time. I don’t see what will be much different from all the past broken promises to listen to feedback and communicate more.
MVPs are just forum posters who have green text. Meaning they are supposed to interact constructively, or some are Tech/Customer support MVPs who help players with questions/policy explanations, etc.
ALL MVPs get is green text and Trust level 3 for posting links to support sites and such. The only people MVPs talk to are the Community Managers.
MVPs don’t get to talk to the Devs, provide direct feedback, etc. Never have had that. The most an MVP can do is write something up and give it to the Community Manager. Same as posting on the forums really.
This has been a long term misconception - that MVPs have some sort of access. We don’t.
There have been focus groups before where some folks who do certain content have had talks with Devs, but that is not related to the MVP program. Devs don’t really care about green text on a forum.
That said, I care about accessibility issues, moderation/policy, Tech/CS.
I am VERY casual. As in I have not raided in a regular way since BC, and have not even done dungeon content since several expansions ago. I wait until I can solo it. I don’t have any public social media. I have never streamed. I don’t hang out in game streamer channels. I am only visible on the forums.
Yet, I am green. Green is really about being able to communicate on the forums. Not game expertise. Not that some are not experts in their area, but that was not a requirement.
We don’t want the Ion treatment though. We get enough of that as it is through Twitter and other places. According to some of the employees, they’re even afraid to speak out because of what may as well be political reasons. They know what they signed up for when they took the job, they should expect as much as backlash as they do praise, and right now they only expect the latter, which is what irks the player base the most imo.
It would help immensely on both ends if they spoke more. The same results could happen if they don’t, but it’s highly unlikely at this time given their track record.
They don’t need to change everything, although with SL that’d probably be welcomed all things considering. The issue with the feedback is that despite how consistent it was, they didn’t listen. Them flip-flopping on decisions isn’t so much because of the player base either. That is them not knowing what to do, regardless of feedback, when they should know what to do.
HAHAHAHA… sure, this will totally not be packed with politically safe sycophants who all agree that what Warcraft needs is more store mounts and transgendered gnomes…
Hopefuly the council is not just guide writers and big streamers.
It needs to have representation from all of wow.
From Hall of Fame raiders to late CE raiders to 5/10m raiders to 3/10m raiders to heroic raiders and casual players and Rank 1 PvPers and Rank 1 m+ players and people who only do 1 form of content but also people who do all forms of content and RPers and people who only play the AH and peoplle who only collect stuff and run legacy content.
But more important than anything, the council needs to include Humanitydh aka Humanity aka Trailgodx
Oh lord, not again. I play another game that had one of these councils & it was a total failure. All it did was bring more toxicity to the forums. I just don’t see anything positive coming out of this.
I hear they are trying to add a significant amount of people to it, but I do agree that it does need a mix of people, including vocal streamers.
Like some vocal streamers
Some top raiders
Some top PVPers
Some Casual Players
Some RP players ((I say this so there is a diverse cast of people in the group that are involved))
Some that focus on Mythic + stuff
Just need a big mix bag of people to get a bit of everything going on in the game. They don’t need people coming in there with questions like. OMG why do you not listen to feedback from the community. Why are you so silent? What took you so long to make these changes. They aren’t looking to answer those kinds of questions most likely and are wanting to hear feedback on what they can do to improve with what they have right now.
A. MVPs promote constructive posting wherever they can. They contribute to the community and encourage polite discussion throughout the forums. When you see an MVP post, listen to what they have to say—they were also chosen for their knowledge of the game.
Not trying to bash you or anything, just genuinely curious because you’re right about not having to be godly at the game, but you are needing enough experience with it. How much knowledge is required to meet this criteria? I never fully understood this part.
just hoping that this not becomes a the high c rulers with the best boot lickers in media you need criticism honest and raw critisism, not the people that has been defending with any nonesense wod, bfa or sl.
still you have a lot of money avalible and still trow the work to the community to be done for free, the videos, the comment are outthere just listen and dont be woke ofended, do you work, for example stive denuser cont do his job? or its more like that he only can do sylvanas and this is why the writing is that bad?
Now that im considering this more, why a team that big when you are doign less work than the competition? you guys reeealy need to get of of your shell and own your mistakes instad of keep silence, some ppl maight be hard on you so what? its not like some FF wasnt reciving insults when they own their mistake and correct it, why you cant? because you stillare on your ivory tower now with rainbow color but still the same ego, sorry blizz i cant be subtle you need to change your ways and im not talking of censorship im talkign that do a good work like when other were learning from your game and now are offering better products, this could be the copium boot licker council or be a good thing, lets roll those D20s! less than 10 and this ship is doomed! no preasure fam!
