Instead of rdf add content

[Dumbcake-westfall]

@Nyseine-whitemane

I have no idea who’s come before me in this forums.

I’m shocked you didn’t mention a TOS violation here. Shocked I say!

[Firidar-remulos]

@Nyseine-whitemane

so we’re definitely free to encourage anything we want here. also its definitely #somechanges if thats what you mean they did def announce that. But why dont you want to see changes? which ones do you or dont you like? are you ok with 3.3.5 tuning? haveing dualspecc on launch?

I’d prefer rdf not to be removed, I’d love faction change to bring my druid over to horde, race change for a couple of my alts, untouched Naxx, and heroics without whatever ‘scaling challenge’ (mythic+) they have planned.
Unfortunately, these ships have already sailed.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Firidar-remulos

I’d prefer rdf not to be removed

So you want rdf in for ICC? or would you like it extended to the rest of the expansion, like dualspecc?

@Firidar-remulos

and heroics without whatever ‘scaling challenge’ (mythic+) they have planned.

so we dont know enough about this to know that you dont like it.

by your definition even with your changes in the game it seems like its still WOTLK SOM, and not classic. You just want your changes and not the proposed ones, which is a fine opinion to have but it isnt a departure.

[Nethers-anvilmar]

Shadowlands is boring. Just. Pure. Boring.

[Firidar-remulos]

Rdf from ICC patch would be an acceptable compromise.

I didn’t like mob scaling or mythic+ when they started in retail, I’m pretty confident I won’t like it here.

[Firidar-remulos]

@Nyseine-whitemane

y your definition even with your changes in the game it seems like its still WOTLK SOM, and not classic. You just want your changes and not the proposed ones, which is a fine opinion to have but it isnt a departure.

My changes?
Those are original features…

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Firidar-remulos

I didn’t like mob scaling or mythic+ when they started in retail, I’m pretty confident I won’t like it here.

Me too, to be quite honest. Mob scaling tends to kill the rpg growth. theyve identified the problem of staying relevant with heroics tho, and thats not gonna happen unless they identify what IMO cuases it later in the xpac: the Ilvl inflation and floor.

I WOULD DONATE MY TIME AND DEVELOP RDF FOR YOU FOR FREE, if they announced tommorow that in phase 3 and 4 they cut the ilvl difference by half (retained the same jump between naxx and ulduar to ulduar->toc / toc->icc) and changed all new heroic gear to be the same as entry level heroics or at the very least 2 teirs behind/ 1 ten man behind.

[Novuss-kirtonos]

No. I would rather they recreate wotlk as it was then. Not a hard concept.

[Katsuki-arcanite-reaper]

I find it interesting you mention im jaded on the topic.

I played throughout wrath and i remember clearly the sour taste that the tool gave me. The badge gear by ulduar is just not good.

Getting stuck with halls of reflection and nobody wanting to understand the entrance event. Same thing with oculus if you had a semblance of how the dragons worked it was an easy dungeon.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

I find it interesting you mention im jaded on the topic.

unless youre also “despitebeing” i wasnt saying that you were jaded.

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

I played throughout wrath and i remember clearly the sour taste that the tool gave me. The badge gear by ulduar is just not good.

Getting stuck with halls of reflection and nobody wanting to understand the entrance event. Same thing with oculus if you had a semblance of how the dragons worked it was an easy dungeon.

I also had these same experiences especially since i switched mains in icc i fully geared a disc priest from scratch during the content drought and went through the heroics, toc, icc and killed hlk25 on my new toon. RDF was a horrendous experience for me

if anyone wants a bit of Nyseine lore, this led to me playing a healer main for the beginning of Cata, where rdf made me quit the game entirely

[Despitebeing-incendius]

@Egwyn-arugal

Expecting them to do any original (let alone worthwhile) work on classic is a pipe dream.

I disagree with this pessimistic outlook. I think the the current devs have demonstrated some competance in formulating satisfying resolutions to issues that arrive in Classic. Chronoboon Displacer is an example of elegant Classic+ design that adds to the Classic Experience without taking away from what was originally there. The problem is that this apt solution came far too late for most to appreciate it.

[Galrund-mankrik]

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

I want to see the game succeed again

What does Making Azeroth Great Again (Sorry, I could not resist) look like to you?

Personally, while I do have quite a few issues with both Retail and Classic, I do think they’re both still successful. I will personally never touch Retail again and I’m out entirely after Wrath, but 300k ish players for a rehash of a 15 year old game is pretty damn good, and the alleged 2 million or so Retail players is still a lot of people.

[Nyseine-whitemane]

@Despitebeing-incendius

Chronoboon Displacer is an example of elegant Classic+ design that adds to the Classic Experience without taking away from what was originally there. The problem is that this apt solution came far too late for most to appreciate it.

i do agree with this

[Katsuki-arcanite-reaper]

Im sad our experience was similar, i also took a long break mid cata after the nerfs i couldnt believe how difficult it was to ask a mage or shaman to poly…and then watch their poly oh lord.

I think youll agree with me that looking into the current retail new player system is also a good idea to try with wrath as a new players experience is difficult with the amount of information out there.