Please remove this Lay on Hands / Execute trinket from PVP.
24k heal when low health or 24k damage on 20% reduced HP.
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Prove it please
if it works im going to abuse my 223 cube
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At 184 ilvl can crit from 8k to 10k, 24k seems like an over reaction. Not to mention you losing pvp bonus for a gimmick which requires the enemy to be on 10% hp.
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Yea but you can just wear 2 PvE trinkets that are better than the bonus. Wait till people really start using some of these OP trinkets that actually offer hard stops defensively or way better Dps.
There’s definitely no existing duo PvE trinket combo that is stronger than a +10% damage set bonus, in addition to a CC removal/20% reduced CC duration.
Dude literally almost (tbh im sure its all, but Ill say almost) shadowlands and BFA PvE trinkets are hard nerfed in pvp to basically deal 50-70% less dmg.
The PvP trinkets aren’t that good and the bonus is lack luster. Especially since there is no defensive value. Powerful trinkets win games with their burst or stop goes, always have. Which you get from PvE trinkets. Nothing has changed from BFA except the PvE trinkets are now stronger.
Won’t be long till everyone start attaining these trinkets and using them accordingly. Imagine using Cheat death trinket with Pod tender. Or some other combinations will be pretty OP.
Yea they did that in BFA too and PvE trinkets were still BiS.
If the PvP bonus was actually 10% dmg and 10% reduction, Or a power absorb shield Trinket etc. They might be competitive.
How is 10% damage lackluster lol. That’s an insane amount of throughput. Also, by PvP trinkets, I hope you don’t mean the CC ones. I’d love an explanation of how 20% redux or the ability to trinket a stun so you don’t die in a bomb is lackluster.
Except there’s a long list of them that have reduced effectiveness in PvP. And all of this aside for a moment, if it’s so busted, why is every single player in top 100 not doing so?
It’s a versa amp, not 10% dmg. I guess if you stack Versa a ton it might eventually be ok but still you aren’t getting a defensive trinket in a burst meta, which is a problem.
I’d love an explanation how you don’t think literally cheating death trinket combined with some of these soulbinds isn’t going to be OP? Or doing huge 12k+ dmg on a go.
Yea the same as BFA but they were still BiS.
Lack of availability. PvE gear drops was dialed down, Mythic world first are over. Once Mythic guilds start selling runs, you don’t think PvP players will start wearing these OP trinkets? Ok… just wait.
I mean vers is everyone’s bis stat in PvP. I have 23% at only a 202 ilevel, and am pushing 10% from the bonus. Wearing PvE damage trinkets don’t provide anything defensively so it’s a moot point.
The game is going to slow down, not speed up. Health pools/defensive conduits/vers are already starting to outrun it. It’s still bursty, but is noticeably slower than launch.
How? Every single agi/str user used dres because it wasn’t tuned down. They were using it this expac before nerf. What I’m BFA was reduced in PvP?
EDIT: And bfa didn’t have a set bonus to compete with. You think people would have been using drest if there was a 20% overall damage bonus from a set bonus? No way.
If they’re as broken as you claim, the 213 versions should be good enough. Yet no one uses them. Even trill, who has a 226 ilevel in PvP on monk, is using PvP trinkets.
It’s not going to happen. 20+% vers already warrants running the bonus, and the higher vers gets, the truer this is. You’re vastly underselling the benefit of having a minimum of 10% damage bonus from just wearing trinkets. 10% dam is more value than an entire trinket in of itself.
Haha No…No it isn’t. Versa is NOT a PvP stat. Also you can’t hit breakpoints of other stats if you stack it. Versa is a Amp stat that Amplifies very important CORE stats that you need to stack. The problem with Versa and why it ruins PvP is you don’t make a build with Versa. You need CORE stats to make actual builds. You need to hit Haste breakpoints, You need Crit and it’s more valuable than ever! Many specs BiS stat is Mastery you can’t have that in the gutter.
Again Versa is good when it shines as a build “AMP”. You don’t want it to be the bulk of you stats. Also this isn’t BFA and we don’t have Conflict or Amps anymore. So Versa has lost it’s value compared to then. You can’t stack it to get the defensive benefit anymore.
I have 15% Versa. In BFA I ran 10-12% Versa. I don’t want anymore and will be doing PvE to get Haste/Mastery and Crit/Mastery stats. I need to get CORE stats first!! If I don’t then Versa isn’t amplifying anything since it’s not a CORE stat.
Versa is NOT a PvP stat and it needs to be removed from the game. People go overboard and stack way to much of it too ruining their build.
Versa doesn’t slow the game down because this isn’t BFA and Versa doesn’t have the same value. The game will slow down from Soulbinds, Conduits, Trinkets that are powerful defensively.
Really wish people would understand Versa better. It’s an illusion because your dmg is vastly outpacing your reduction. The more Versa you stack the more damage you do compared to reduction. This is why you need defensive stops since Versa won’t provide it. This isn’t BFA.
Yes… and it won’t be 20%. Sorry I think the PvP trinket bonus is trash and hope they give us a real bonus. I also hope they remove Versa off PvP gear. It’s also a trash stat that will only cause problems.
Guess we will see won’t we.
You are vastly underselling not having a Defensive stop in a fast paced meta. The trinket bonus is trash will always be trash as long as it is a gross Versa amp.
You are also vastly underselling the importance of CORE stats as well that usually synergize more with defensive conduits better not to mention make an Actual build. PvE trinkets will complete many builds wait and see how gearing changes in the next 2 months.
Vers is most def a PVP stat, its actually pretty vital for some classes. Believe what you want but I noticed a difference stacking up Vers but I am also scrub level
And this is why tanks shouldn’t give advice on PvP (especially when they “only arena” to get gear to do “rEaL” pvp like wpvp lewl)
It isn’t though and never will be. We need an actual PvP stat. Resil etc.
PvP gear should look like this so we can make builds with Core stats
Helm 200 Item Level
- 95 Mastery
- 85 Haste
- 25 PvP stat
Until PvP gear looks like that it will never be fixed. Would love to rip the Versa bandaid off PvP gear and remove it from the game. It is an issue that mucks everything up.
Ok but mathematically and factually everything I stated is true. I mean math doesn’t lie. Maybe people should start using it. Oh right we take advice from idiot content creators that have ZERO idea how stuff works then end up in this awful Versa situation. 
Now run along with this information and do some research best I can do. Also start learning some Match and how stats effect your build. Also look into EHP.
I said what needed to be said. Just going to be repeating myself. Really hope Versa gets removed and we get a PvP stat.
A 226 battlemasters trinket gives 16k hp on use. Don’t see how that’s not defensive.
I personally find Vers to be doing better now that its more available from Vault and PVP vendors, I also run Blood in PVE so I am able to basically use that PVP gear to run Raids/Mythic without having to create multiple sets of gear. When you get 20+% of vers you notice your survivability go up and it helps a lot with dmg esp with Trinket bonus. You want a strictly PVP stat but Blizzard tried it and from what I read it was a pain to balance and had zero use outside of PVP. With Vers it can be applied to all aspect of the game in and out of rated instances but this is just my opinion
Mathematically and factually…
Everything you said was rubbish, and based on the fact that you play a TANK in pvp. Mr “I only ran with 10% versa in BFA, when versa was good defensively”
Try playing an actual class/spec with your 10% versa, and then again with 20% versa. Its amazing how much more defensive you are with 10% dmg reduction vs 5%.
But you won’t. B/c of your “tAnKs BeLoNg In ArEnA” mentality.
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Yeah, they might be as god awful as people that play prot pally in arenas.
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He has also only played like 70 matches in 3s and has over 200 matches in 2s and both are 1500 rating so I am sure PVP is his thing.
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