See you tomorrow.
Irony at its finest.
My country had to make a law that you could not sue someone for apologizing because we apologize so much as a matter of public decency for basically anything.
And your declaration of guilt is worth exactly nothing because you lack the power of the state. You can declare someone guilty all you want it has no merit or meaning.
And I pray there never comes a day where you are falsely accused of a serious crime and people instantly assume you’re guilty because of gender based prejudice.
Um, college campuses most certainly are career work spaces. Just ask a tenured Professor, or research assistants working on their PHDs.
Do you want to rethink that first response?
How do you know the State of Cali would not bring this? There are plenty of times that state government has filed cases that they cant win. You do know there is this cancel culture going around right? Why wouldnt you back up these claims for fear you might be canceled too?
Guess what, all that Blizzard has to reply with legally is “its all wrong” and the plaintiff has to prove it. You think someone saying something is evidence, its not. Its the claim. Its like saying the bible is the evidence when its just the claim. If there is evidence to support it, which again Cali has made it to victims could actually be criminally charged for obtaining recordings, then so be it, get them out of the company.
Stop using gaslighting, you have absolutely no clue what it means. And you are being manipulative and you have been a complete liar. Thats not gaslighting, its the truth. You have claimed stuff that is not true and you are trying to manipulate people with this gaslight claim to paint me in a bad light. You are pretty transparent here.
All possibilities arent real. Do you have ANY evidence of aliens to even make that claim? Some fuzzy debunked videos isnt actually evidence, its people not knowing what they are looking at and making a bridge.
There is however case after case of women making accusations to ruin mens lives with no consequences. From family court to high profile cases.
Did I say you said people were going to jail? No I said
There you are lying again trying to manipulate people into thinking im saying something im not. You even quoted it and got it wrong. I brought it up, because there are people that think people will be going to jail. If they had evidence then these people would have been charged already and not been put in a civil suit.
I am not saying that it isnt a complete fabrication. Im saying it is. But just because that something isnt a complete fabrication, doesnt mean that it hasnt been fabricated. These people lied completely. But even if they didnt lie completely, they still lied about what happened. You are just doing this semantics thing because you want to get anything over on me. You are desperate to get anything on me. Im not moving any goalposts, and im not wrong. These people lied about what happened, completely.
Not moving the goalposts, you just have absolutely 0 ability to follow a conversation. You think “people” means “you”, and you want to accuse me of moving goalposts. Thats hilarious.
How about you get a little more up in that brain to see how they can contribute to a cause. #believewomen is just that, to ignore everything else and just believe them because they are women. And it did hurt the credibility like people have been warning about but that hasnt stopped the movement. The woke things you should just believe them, no matter what, that they dont need evidence to support their claims. More people talking doesnt mean a thing. Again I have seen people that just wanted to make up evidence, admitted to it, just because they didnt like the guy or they wanted to create something because #believewomen. Some even hoped minors were raped which is sick.
Both can be right, again you are just doing this word salad and not actually saying anything. Its not wrong. If you had followed the events you would see im completely right.
They dont have to get away with it in court. Thats the entire thing about manipulating public opinion. If you manipulate people into just believing women, then it doesnt matter what anyone else shows or does, it doesnt even matter what a court outcome is.
Your level of effort is “no your gaslighting” which im not. Claiming I said things I didnt, and semantics without actually addressing the actual meat of the argument. Again, find better arguments.
Whats funny is those people are accused all the time and then “but muh due process” is constantly brought up by the same people that were demonizing it.
These days, weak people apologize for anything they are accused of because of cancel culture. CC is the downward spiral of society.
Me too fella, I’ve never felt so good about you walking away as well. 
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean we don’t support both sides of this thing. We can be supportive and demand a rational response from the community. Obviously there will always be people like you, who simply aren’t capable of controlling their emotions, but thank your lucky stars that you aren’t in a position of power and that there are smarter people out there who do the thinking for you.
GUiillTY BeCUSZ I feEL IT !
Because if they lose on account of lack of evidence, they’ll have wasted all that time and money?
Because if they lose on account of lack of evidence, the lawyers working on this and the AG’s who signed off on it will lose credibility (and some their careers)?
This doesn’t prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it’s legit. But it certainly indicates that.
Meanwhile, your evidence that this lawsuit is bunk is:
Like when?
Yes, it is. It isn’t particularly strong evidence, and certainly not evidence to prove the truth asserted, but it is circumstantial evidence.
What, that you’re gaslighting?
Because you are. As if me arguing with you makes me “manipulative”, a “liar”.
All possibilities are real, as possibilities. Think about, if something isn’t empirically not possible, then it is, by definition, not a possibility.
Ergo just because something is a “possibility” is meaningless.
But yes, it is a possibility that California’s lawsuit is evidence free, that all the statements were made by liars, and all the people coming forward on twitter to corroborate this crap are lying too, for social brownie points.
I find that highly unlikely though, in the face of the lack of any evidence to prove any of this.
You brought up “people think people will be going to jail”. I do not think this, I have not said it, therefore it is irrelevant to our conversation. I don’t know why you’re bringing it up.
Not necessarily. It likely means 1) the damages are civil, not criminal and 2) for what criminal charges they are they would not win if they brought it, due to the difference in the standard of guilt required to achieve a settlement and a criminal conviction. In civil, that standard is “more likely than not”, in criminal, it’s “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Take something like sexual harassment in the form of Alex Afrasiabi groping women at Blizzcon: this is extraordinarily difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Not so in civil court.
In your post where you initially claimed the Columbia scandal was a “complete fabrication”, you directly compared it to Rolling Stone’s libel case, as well as implicitly compared it to the Pennsylvania case. Here, I’ll show you:
This is wrong. Columbia was not something someone invented out of whole cloth, it was based on an event all parties agreed actually happened. I don’t know why you’re so insistent on not admitting this.
Not necessarily. It’s a possibility (HAHAHA) that Columbia was the result of two people seeing the same event differently.
Gaslighting.
“What you’re doing is, you know you can’t win so…”
Don’t tell me what I think.
See, this is gaslighting. You made several claims that were then shown to be objectively wrong, like:
–That the Columbia scandal was a “complete fabrication” (it was not)
–That the #MeToo movement created a culture where women could “get away with lying about men they don’t like”, and used Columbia and Rolling Stone as proof of this (even though those predate the #MeToo movement) and the Pennsylvania case (even though those girls were caught almost immediately)
You’re wrong on these points, and now you’re trying to present the fact I showed you this as “gaslighting”, “being manipulative”, “0 ability to follow the conversation”. As if the fact I won’t let you change the subject because you can’t admit you were wrong is my fault. Get bent.
Something you’re well acquainted with.
That’s what you’re doing, bud.
What started this chain of conversation was a question for evidence that this kind of lawsuit has been shown to be bunk in the past. Do you have this evidence? Or do you just have vague allusions and examples of people lying in the past that have nothing to do with California’s lawsuit against Blizzard?
Also, quoted from above:
You made several claims that were then shown to be objectively wrong, like:
–That the Columbia scandal was a “complete fabrication” (it was not)
–That the #MeToo movement created a culture where women could “get away with lying about men they don’t like”, and used Columbia and Rolling Stone as proof of this (even though those predate the #MeToo movement) and the Pennsylvania case (even though those girls were caught almost immediately)
I did address it: none of your arguments have evidence that actually supports them.
And we have a ton of circumstantial evidence, provided upthread, to show it’s reasonable for a layperson to assume Blizzard’s guilt without waiting for the courts. Which is ABSOLUTELY NOT saying Blizzard is not entitled to their day in a court that presumes their innocence until convinced by the evidence otherwise.
Again, I could be wrong. If so, oh well.
Wolves are everywhere.
Under the legal system, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Even an admission of guilt is not enough. System can’t run off of emotion.
And guess what … he’s back bright and early on the forums talkin trash to others lmao.
Never ends with these clowns.
Lol, like the government really cares about time and money. Thts the worst argument ever.
The lawyers as well wont lose anything. They get paid either way and the only thing that matters is if they violate any ethics. If they arent doing that their practice will go on.
The very fact that you have to ask “like when” when there is a case RIGHT NOW where the state is charging for someone even though its entirely political, goes to show that you pay attention to nothing around you. Kyle Rittenhouse is being criminally charged for defending himself, he broke no laws but the state is going after him anyways because if he defended himself the media and some state governments claim that the riots that lasted for a good part of a year were peaceful protests is bunk.
For a bunch of people that dont like people having power, you give a lot to the government.
And no, someone saying something is not evidence, its a claim. Are religious texts evidence? No they are claims and you need evidence to support their claims.
You are manipulative and a liar because you are attempting to manipulate and you are lying. Thats not gaslighting.
If its possible that the lawsuit is bunk, then shouldnt you do the right thing and wait for evidence? Oh wait, you think someone saying something is evidence and thats the problem. Again mob mentality is real.
I never said you said you think people are going to go to jail, but people have been saying it. Its just an example of people taking a little bit of information, and one side of the suit, and going off the rails with it. There is a reason people havent been charged, because if there was evidence they would have been charged unless its past the statute of limitations which gives the victims some responsibility.
Sexual assault is a criminal offence. They would have been charged if there was evidence, why else would you wait unless you are trying to collect evidence? Thats the thing, the plaintiff doesnt even have any evidence, or is trying to use these complaints to get to discovery for depositions, and to request more information.
People have cell phones right? I mean what was that quote Blizzard made… you have cell phones right?. Yeah that was it. Blizzcon is a big place with a lot of people, no one got it on camera? Just like Vic Mignogna. Claims about him and hes always on camera from fans and not a single person got a clip of any of it.
I didnt compare them, another lie by you. The quote doesnt show that I compared them, and yes complete fabrications. Mattress girl lied, and the university had to apologize to the accused.
It’s only the primary pillar of our legal system… but hey, f it. I’m sure no one would ever falsely accuse anyone of anything.
First of all, filing a frivolous/meritless lawsuit is an ethics violation. So thanks for confirming I’m right. 
I have a theory: that the fact that California brought the suit likely means there is merit behind. This is more likely than the theory that there is no merit behind it.
Do you disagree with this? Why?
lmao
So you have no example of a suit similar to the one California is making that later turned out to be bunk? Okay.
Wrong. He is accused of being a minor in illegal possession of a firearm he did not own.
Isn’t your entire point that we need to wait for court to play out until we can draw a conclusion?
You sure seem to have no problem declaring that Rittenhouse is innocent of the charges against him lmao. Shouldn’t we wait and see?
Yes, it is. It isn’t enough to prove anything by itself, but it is evidence.
Making arguments like this often involve taking multiple pieces of evidence that by themselves do not prove anything, but when taken together become convincing.
I have evidence.
I explained it to you.
You can’t even argue it head on.
And I never said you did. I said that I didn’t say that, therefore it’s irrelevant to our discussion.
And yet you accuse me of being manipulative. lol.
Not necessarily. I can look at the current evidence and draw my own conclusions. And if I’m wrong, then I’m wrong. Meh.
They would have been charged if there were enough evidence to meet the burden of proof in a criminal court. Because they did not bring criminal charges, we can infer they do not have sufficient evidence for criminal charges. By the same token, what does it imply that they filed in civil court?
I literally quoted your post demonstrating this. you sad excuse of a human being.
So now, what are you saying? That you don’t think those two cases are similar at all? I mean, they’re not- which was my original point!
You just love declaring things without backing them up.
Btw why did you drop the point about how none of your examples actually prove a climate exists where women can lie about men and get away with it? Or are you now going to claim you never said that too?
First of all, this implies that Sulkowicz was found to be lying, and Columbia apologized for that. This is not what happened. Nungesser sued Columbia saying they failed to protect his reputation (despite finding him non responsible), and they settled out of court. Columbia then released this statement:
“Columbia recognizes that after the conclusion of the investigation, Paul’s remaining time at Columbia became very difficult for him and not what Columbia would want any of its students to experience. Columbia will continue to review and update its policies toward ensuring that every student — accuser and accused, including those like Paul who are found not responsible — is treated respectfully and as a full member of the Columbia community.”
Which isn’t really an apology to me? That’s basically just an admission that Nungesser’s reputation suffered at Columbia, ie his injury was real, without admitting it was their fault or they could have stopped it.
later nerd
I can tell you have never stayed or been on the floor where unless you are invited and with your escort… you didn’t get in. No keycard… no access.
Blizzard: we did it and we’re sorry
Weirdos: BUT WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?? INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
literally a picture of a group chat of Blizzard being creepy weirdos to women
Blizzard: that happened and we’re sorry
Weirdos: THAT’S PHOTOSHOPPED
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