Courts are required to have the presumption of innocence until a Jury or Judge determines guilt.
I am not bound by that requirement, and neither are you.
The evidence, through testimonials, 2 years of investigation, their coverup, and how BLIZZARD IS LYING TO YOU while their staff call them on their BS continues to exist even if some people try to pretend it doesn’t.
Well…bye
Hey, don’t you come at Starbucks. Their cold brews are 
Everyone is guilty of something
Everyone Lies
people = S**t
Life goes on
What community? I type this stuff to myself then send it out pointlessly into the void, what do the rest of you do?
apparently the void has trolls
You seem pretty horrible yourself. To bad you cant walk away from you.
Wow, this kid is the trash he hates so much. Welcome to the party Navais! Youre just as cr@p as the rest of us!
You insult others, but you’re the one bashing the presumption of innocence, the cornerstone of a free and democratic society. You are the worst human being in this thread for that reason alone… though your childish desperate flailing about doesn’t help your case either.
That’s right and never forget it.
But, that’s how our justice system works. Presumption of innocence proven either way in court. So what is your point?
Nobody cares SJW. Cling to your shidd with the rest of the flies.
No, it’s not.
You seem awfully concerned with making sure everyone is aware of a possibility that is highly unlikely just because it “could” be happening.
This is what gaslighting is. You are clearly advocating that the claims are BS, then when called out for it, have the temerity to play dumb about it. Sick.
Hold on, you called it a “complete fabrication”. That was unequivocally wrong. You should just admit that.
You presented this theory:
The fact 2 of your 3 examples are before the hashtag means they do not actually support this theory.
If you disagree with the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” being universal, don’t complain if the cops shoot you first and investigate later.
can a mod please fix OP’s incorrect capitalizations in the title? it is offensive to proper english-speakers.
Ur not even level 60 tho
Yeah, it is the same thing.
Its not a highly unlikely possibility either. Its also not gaslighting at all and the fact that you would even suggest that it is, shows how manipulative you are. Gaslighting is emotional abuse to manipulate the person into questioning their thoughts, memories and the events occuring around them. They can even question their own sanity.
I am not advocating that the claims are BS. I never said they were, I said they might be because its a very real possibility. Im also not hoping that they are true, because that would mean women are being abused. It all comes down to proof. Why hasnt any of the John Doe’s been charged? People think people will be going to jail but if there is no case that isnt happening. Even murderers that have physical evidence against them, have to go through the system and be found guilty by a jury of their peers.
The fact that Cali is a 2 party consent state prohibits video or audio recordings if all parties dont consent to it. If someone does record it, then they can be open to civil and criminal liability. So even if these people did have video evidence, they cant show it. If they show it in public, it doesnt matter in terms of the law, they can have action taken against them, and it cant be used in court because the evidence would be obtained illegally. It can be 2500 dollar fine and up to a year in jail. And thats not actually all of it.
I dont want people to get their hopes on on a court case that could yield no results. The only thing that may yield results is discriminatory pay.
Yes, these things were complete fabrication. Im saying if something isnt a complete fabrication, its still a fabrication and you are arguing over nothing.
Those cases paved a way for #believewomen, again just because they predate doesnt mean they didnt contribute. Not only that but again, your argument is moot. It doesnt matter because #believewomen has created the atmosphere that women can get away with lying about people that they dont like.
How about you find a good argument because it took you a while to come up with that and it was really abysmal.
No, it is not. College campuses are not career work spaces.
Yes, it is. The State of California would not bring this unless they had evidence that would stand in court, nor would over 100 Blizzard employees not corroborate it, nor would over 800 sign a petition blasting corporates response. Meanwhile, all you have as proof this is bunk it’s a statement from Fran Townsend, who worked at Blizz for 4-6 months from home claiming she “never saw it”. Convincing.
You’re gaslighting again.
In the previous sentence you literally accused me of being manipulative. In the post before this you called me a “complete liar”.
You’re the gaslighter, I’m calling you out on it.
All possibilities are real. It’s possible they’re aliens, and that possibility is “real” even if it is so low and evidence free we can safely discount it. As we can this one, until we see evidence.
I never said they’re going to jail, so I don’t know why you’re bringing it up.
Yes, because you said it was, and now are saying it is not. ie You were wrong. Don’t keep moving the goalposts.
Again, moving the goalposts.
How could they contribute when they were high profile cases shown to be bunk, libel or complicated encounters that began as consensual? Wouldn’t that contribute to the opposite- a culture that doesn’t believe women because of these examples?
You claimed #believewomen created an atmosphere were women can get away with lying. Your examples happened before the hashtag gained popularity. So it was wrong. Too bad.
But- the Pennsylvania girls didn’t get away with it? The lady who stalked the voice actor didn’t get away with it?
None of your examples actually support what you’re saying.
Why? This level of effort is all that’s required.
You’re right Navris.
Additionally, the harassment in these forums reflects the harassment taking place behind closed doors at Blizzard Entertainment.
I don’t agree. Navris is right to be mad.