Gonna make doing the phase 3 crafting quest real hard if you cant go in the ashenvale portal at 50 as you suggest
Just put Cenarion Wardens near the quest giver.
Same with the dream side of the portal imo. Ez clap.
Ok so uh how we getting things done boys?
I saw horde entering ST. They need to be banned because they were supposed to be pvping on a pvp server. That’s pvp avoidance to me.
Leveling? Screw that… Just lvl 1 pvp. Getting gear and leveling smells like PVE!!
Twice the work?! 
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Signed.
Running through portal into 4 Void Plagues, 4 SWPs, and 4 Living Bombs is super tedious.
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Everyone posting the classic “hurr durr pvp server” nonsense aren’t even pvpers. Not every person is like this, but most people aren’t pvpers. They are opportunistic, that’s all.
You give them an even fight and they will head out to find something else to do.
What they want is pve with an element of griefing.
This is just a blatant strawman. You are avoiding PvP despite choosing a PvP server, that does not mean you don’t do pve, nor does doing PvP prevent you from it. But I’m pretty sure you are aware this and this is just intentional straw man and hyperbole.
PvP is PvP, regardless of the levels involved. My rogue is just level 45, and yet I’m still fighting and helping kill level 50s.
No it’s not because the argument here isn’t pvp or no pvp, it’s “hey I want to get some stuff done” and this it’s turning into a complete mess".
It’s why early on there was very very little incursion pvp. People wanted to get things done. Now that they are done, now they want to gank lower level folks.
It’s just opportunistic nonsense.
Hell when people were pre-questing for P3, pvp was frowned upon.
30 horde (sea of red names) didn’t back up an enhancement shaman that ganked (well tried to) my 3 man team in tanaris.
Literally just let his butt die for his stupidity.
Why? - because they had stuff to do.
Definitions aside the mentality of someone starting fights with people they know they will beat is more pve than pvp.
A 50 going around splattering level 25’s isn’t really pvp. Given game mechanics they can barely fight back.
It’s essentially pve with better AI.
The whole point of a PvP server is the random chaotic PvP in between doing stuff in the open world. If you don’t enjoy that, you shouldn’t have chose a PvP server. You have nobody to blame but yourself, you’re crying about the exact risk you signed up for.
Now if you are on an unplayable imbalanced layer that’s one thing, but if you are on a balanced layer and crying about PvP there is no excuse, this is exactly what you signed up for.
What is the point of your argument? That PvP SHOULDN’T happen on a PvP server?
That’s what’s happening on Lone Wolf. Everyone tries to find the “good” layer.
That it should be relatively “fair”. The same reason you’re not allowed to pvp in the lvl 1 starting area.
I want you to create a low level horde character on LW and we’ll duel 300 times and I’ll use my 50 hunter.
I want you then to ask yourself if it felt like pvp. If you still think it’s pvp, I want you to come on the forums and be like “yeah Ron beat me 300 times, he really whooped by butt with his incredible skill”. If you do that, I’ll agree that pvp is pvp.
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hyperbole. People layer hop when they get in an imbalanced layer, most people are not doing that when it’s balanced, as it’s playable. I always fish for the balanced layer on purpose because it’s a PvP server like I signed up for.
The extent it should be “fair” is the server is balanced. Servers are balanced, layers can be hit or miss though. Layering shouldn’t exist period and goes against the spirit of classic.
If you get ganked, you call your friends, guildies, and general chat to help you. It then escalates, and you go back and fourth. This is how PvP servers work, if you aren’t participating and logging out after getting ganked you are creating the problem for yourself. If you don’t want open world PvP in between your open world pve content you made a poor personal decision for choosing a PvP server.
Yeah, this view doesn’t work on modern servers. If we had 2k population servers you’d have a point. No one wants a 35k pop server all on 1 layer. You want this, but you wouldn’t play there after being stuck at lvl 3 for a day.
Yeah that’s why they jump people as they come through the portal 10 v 1. They want balance.
Yeah man. Every time I get ganked by multiple people I’m asking my friends and guildies to drop what they are doing to help me. Mid raid? Get out here and help me!
And you wonder why all the pvp servers in classic turned into 95% horde? Doesn’t sound very pvp centric to me.
LOL I never said I wanted a 35k pop realm, this is another straw man. That’s obviously untenable.
5k pop single layers is what we should have, and a pledge from blizzard to merge low pop servers.
I don’t see what point you’re making here. People are not layer hopping on balanced layers like you claimed, and you are deflecting to the behavior of a few people on imbalanced layers? Lol these 2 things have no connection to each other.
Your guildies are constantly in raid? Lol I doubt it. Ever try general chat too? Give me a break.
You know what other servers became 99% one faction? The pve servers, which never had world PvP to begin with.
Fearlina, benediction, and whitemane were very well balanced servers for 2 years in vanilla. You know what imbalanced them? People from servers with bleeding population realms dog piling on them and lop siding the server. People were chasing the highest pop realm due to the roster boss, not PvP.
Things you will never have for 500.
Yeah, they are.
My point is that you and people like you didn’t really exist in game. You’re a really small minority.
They just want to stomp. Think of it like this, you know how classic players hate hard pve? That extends to pvp also.
People are doing things. This is mostly a pve game. I am starting to think you’re just a Reddit theory pvper.
They were unbalanced 1 year in. Once you start getting high 50’s to low 40’s its not balanced anymore. That’s essentially a 20% population gap.
500 what? Lol
Is that why most layers are balanced and a couple are really bad? You are just expressing personal feeling and not empirical evidence or reality.
Balanced layers wouldn’t exist if people didnt want them, but most are balanced.
You didn’t site any sources of evidence whatsoever. All you did was site a quote asking how people are feeling about server balance, lmfao.
Check iron forge pro data, the big 3 had a reasonable balanced all of vanilla. Roughly 55/45.
You also conveniently ignored the counter evidence against your point that people transferred because of PvP, that pve servers became 99% one faction at the exact same time as the other big servers. But that was too inconvenient for your narrative.
Please add guards around the quest giver and vendor. They should only assist for pvp and not for assisting with killing mobs if people kite to them.
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The problems are the layers, dude i was fine on a layer alliance and horde ignored each other, suddenly got layerd while killing a whelp and insta killed by a party 50, why the hell are you idiots layering ppl random