I see you didn’t play OG Wrath. Normal ICC with the 30% buff was peak WoW socializing.
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i played og wrath but i didn’t use it to socialize, i don’t really remember much about the buff implementation, not sure what that has to do with anything though, i don’t think that 30% buff will increase wow socializing, maybe it will
Then you didnt play it. The buff was there for people to see the content. Not to mention that the LK didnt die on heroic until the 5% buff came. Blizzard wanted people to see the content, see the biggest villain Warcraft had meet his end.
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“u dont remember the fine details of a buff on a game 20 years ago? then u didnt play it”
that’s quite an opinion, how did people not see the content? there’s a literal normal mode for it, that’s the point of the different difficulties
Its not a fine detail, its a pretty damn big detail.
The same reason Naxx came to wrath
Its kind of hilarious that you call people bad in these forums yet cant understand how people didnt see the content. Are you even paying attention to what you are typing?
If you dont want to use the buff, then beat the LK now if you think people wont turn it off. And if you cant beat the LK now, then maybe you need the buff.
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the top 50% of guilds right now have cleared 9/12 heroic and the rest on normal in 6 weeks, what content are they missing? a 284 weapon perhaps? is that the “content” they are missing? the epics?
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And from your own words, only 4-5% have downed Heroic LK.
You tell me. The buff is coming in whether you like it or not. Im telling you the purpose of the original buff, its not like this is some classic only thing. You have got to be trolling at this point.
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why are you telling me the purpose of the original buff in a topic about the current buff? and why are you telling me what i already know anyway…? so unless the entire community kills the final boss on the hardest difficulty, they did not see the content…?
“blizzard wanted people to see the content”
“ok true, who isn’t seeing the content?”
“i dunno, u tell me”
have u been drinking this morning
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Because Classic is based on the original. The original had the buff so classic has the buff. Tada… what are you having trouble understanding?
I dont drink, and its 5pm anyways.
ok so the original point of the buff is to make people see the content, you said it yourself, but they don’t need the buff to see the content because most of the community already killed normal lich king, there’s nothing else to see
the 2023 version of the buff is about character progression, just no one will say it for some reason
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Correct.
I know what I said.
No they didnt.
Is because it existed in the original game. Dont like it? Tough. Pound sand, turn it off, go play retail, go do anything else.
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i mean if u had just told me from the beginning u were a no changes guy i would never have replied
but here u go, currently, there are 9008 guilds listed on warcraft logs, 6169 of them have killed normal lich king and 345 of them have killed heroic lich king, that gives us a total of 72% of community have seen all content in 6 weeks
Who cares about current? The buff is coming because it was in the original, it was in the original because people didnt see the content. Naxx was moved to Wrath because 1% of the playerbase seen it in Vanilla.
I know you want Wrath to become retail, but its not. Go play retail if you want retail. If you want Wrath, then play Wrath.
“most of the community already killed normal lich king”
“no they didn’t”
“yes they did, heres proof”
“who cares?”
like talking to a brick wall, patrick kelliste
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Wait wait wait… thats not at all how the conversation went. Are you skipping back and forth between OG and Classic to confuse people?
Most people did not kill the LK in OG wrath even on normal. LK heroic didnt die until the 5% buff was implemented. It doesnt matter if people seen it now, the buff is coming because it was in the original. Like I said, go pound sand, its coming whether you want to kick and scream about it or not.
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I’m obviously not opposing the original buff implementation 12 years later, I’m arguing that the original buff implementation’s reasoning is gone now because in 2023 72% of us have already killed the lich king, they have seen the content, i do not know how you can’t understand it
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Then why are you here?
Uh… DUH. And im saying it was in original and thats why its in classic. Have you missed the other 6 times I have said that or something?
that’s why i asked if ur a no changes guy, u realise that this thread is about changes right? infact there have been hundreds of changes to wrath, there’s no reason to not change this either, the best you can come up with is “it was in original wrath”
You never asked me if I was a no changes guy.
This thread is about giving an incentive to do it without the buff. If there was to be an incentive to do it without the buff it would be in already. Period because then when the buff comes you take that incentive away, not the other way around.
Its quite literally all I need. It was in the original so its in classic. ICC was in the original, and its in classic, you dont have a problem with that, but another thing that was in the original that is coming to classic you do. You clearly dont have any standards. Go play retail, leave classic alone.
The 30% buff means most pug groups will have a reasonable chance of successfully clearing normal mode ICC. That leads to more social interactions in game.