In shock, Ion said NO FLYING, and PATHFINDER AGAIN

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I disagree here, this game is 15 years old, so many people that left are gone for good

sure, there are many that are open to coming back, but I bet there are more that will refuse to

im pretty sure what blizzard is trying to do, which I agree is the better course of action, is to attract players that never really gave WoW a chance, or are just getting into the genre now (maybe some that left WoW long ago)

but trying to get the recent cancels back with big changes probably isn’t a good idea, if you undo the things that made them leave, you’ll alienate the ones that didn’t leave

far better strategy imo to try to retain the people here, and bring in ones that haven’t played wow at all or at least for the last 6-10 years, then to try and get back the ones that left within the last 2-4

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You can disagree all you want, but I have people telling me exactly that. They are looking for a reason to come back, but see none.

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thats fine, but your social circle is not the extent of blizzards target demographic

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Neither is your strategy…
I hear more negative talk about BfA than praise. Some even saying it is worse than WoD. So for them to continue down that spiral of BS is pretty bad.
I don’t just mean my social circle either. Im talking about chat I’ve seen in game, in classic, in various guilds, in forums. Many want to come back, but a lot are tired of the RNG (which at least they are fixing) and tired of losing flying and having to re-earn it as content.
Sharding/Phasing/Warmode also ruined World PvP, but they try to throw blame to flying for that too. Its nonsense.

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for the most part, I agree with you about the game

all im saying is that blizzard, first and foremost, is here to make money

if it seems like they are ignoring the recent cancels, they probably feel like its in their best interest to try to attract other people to wow than to get the recent cancels to resub

maybe they are wrong, maybe not, but i guarantee they are doing what they think will make them more money

when you say something “needs” to happen for the game, I assume you mean that thing needs to happen either for your best interest, or for what you think blizzards best interest is

the reality is that only what blizzard thinks it needs matters, if forum outcry was the true indicator of the state of the game they would probably drop PF on us day 1 for 5000g

since they aren’t doing that its safe to assume they have more information than we do thats leading them to make a different decision

all we can do as a player community is to lobby for the best version of the game that fit in their idea of what will make them the most money, because if it doesn’t fit that idea, they won’t do it, plain and simple

and this is the point I think most people are missing, blizzard is not going to give us PF for gold on day 1, if they were going to, it would have happened already

so instead of people crying bout getting PF day 1 (not you specifically, just in general on the forums) how about understand where blizzard stands on the matter and go from there

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Where Blizzard stands on the matter is they would prefer not to have to build around flight in any future expansions. Blizzard would also like to make all the money both on subscriptions and expansions. There are multiple people at Blizzard, and customers have had to go over the devs’ heads to their bosses once already over flying. It’s why Pathfinder exists at all instead of simply no flight. Customers indicated to those who mind the money at Blizzard that without flight, the product was unsatisfactory and they would no longer buy it, Pathfinder is the minimum effort to retain people by dangling the carrot we showed we definitely wanted and saying ‘do the entire expansion you bought before you can do it’.

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That’ll show em OP!

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Me and my friends would love to come back to WoW and play… But, I honestly do not have the time or patience to come back and grind just to unlock something as trivial as flying. It’s trivial, but a necessity. It’s the most ridiculous thing.

People will grind for things that want. I.E Nether Rays and Drakes in TBC, Period. Let me fly and you can stay on the ground. Does blizzard really need to implement a No-flying realm type or a fly-mode button where you and the rest of the people that don’t want to fly can stay. And I can zoom around as much as I want. Because we need to reach a much better middle ground than this.

This is not a fair middle ground. I’m sick of being time-gated and sick of feeling like I could be doing something actually fun with my little bit of time at home when I’m not at work.

This whole thing is akin to an RPER going to a normal non-rp server and being like “What? Your name is Tiddiediddler I’m not immersed.” Then forcing a name change on a non-rp server because they don’t think that’s how the game should be played.

Also, pro-tip to all anti-flyers stop using the “You just want things handed to you.” argument. If you’re playing Retail WoW you’re more than okay with things being handed to you. So go argue somewhere else on your high horse.

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If unsubbing made them change their mind about things, they would have made changes years ago. You need convince them people will resub to play it, flying doesn’t have that kind of gravity… but what you COULD do is package it into a list of things. If the list has something EVERYONE can support, get enough people to give it attention, you can probably see some change that way.

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The sad part about this is, the investors and Blizzard KNOW how valuable flying is to resubs which is why every time PF part 2 is about to come out or is launched they have the audacity to run ads saying things like “FLYING IS BACK” I swear that’s the most disgusting thing I ever saw while playing Legion. It was just so slimy.

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flying is 100% NOT a necessity

vanilla didn’t have flying and it was fine, neither do many/most other mmos

as I said before, flying is a candy bar that blizzard gave to a 5 year old, they don’t need it, but try to take it away and they will cry their eyes out

don’t worry, id be right there next to you crying too, but don’t kid yourself that its a necessity

if pathfinder is the only thing keeping you from coming back you have some serious entitlement issues

I hate pathfinder, but I still play because I still like the game despite pathfinder, and I know its not a necessity

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Vanilla didn’t have flying (the developers of the time said so) because they hadn’t been able to add it to the game yet. Burning Crusade gave them the opportunity to add to the game what they had wanted to be in there from the start. It wasn’t until the dev team turned over that suddenly flight shouldn’t be a part of the game (and maybe it shouldn’t ever have been? eh, eh, think of that?) Flying has been a part of the game longer than the developers thought it shouldn’t have been.

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Untrue, Ghostcrawler said in 2012 that looking back he would have been against ever adding flying to begin with.

It wasn’t a new thing with the new dev thing. The desire was already there, they just never acted on it. Which you can certainly being against, but saying they never thought it was bad isn’t accurate. Also, Tom Chilton was the Game Director until partway into Legion after having being in that position since Cataclysm.

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Then he went on to say convenience is fun and that flying mounts a pretty cool.

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Actually he said that first, then followed up with not liking that it made the world too safe.

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Glad I was just speaking to my long time wow friend about WoW classic. This game is NOT vanilla STOP relating them. Flying is 100% a necessity if it exists period. That is obvious.

Flying increases safety, flying increases speed of grinding mats to make gold. Flying is a necessity in the same sense that owning a car is a necessity in rural areas in America. If people can own cars and most do, the people that don’t have them are in NEED of them. You absolute boomer.

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I realize this game is not vanilla, I wasn’t saying it was

im saying if flying was a necessity, then by definition, this game, or any game, would not work without it

and yes, flying in wow is like owning a car in rural America … not a necessity

I don’t think you know what necessity means

a thing that makes life easier, allows you to get places quicker, and more safely, is very helpful, but not a necessity

a necessity is something you need to function, you don’t need to fly around wow, you can run, it works, you just don’t want to

you don’t need a car in rural America, you can ride with a neighbor, call a cab, work from home

a necessity is something that has no alternatives … like food and water, you can’t not drink food and water, you can not own a car … or a flying mount

but again, as I said before, id be right there with you if they took flying away, I hate pathfinder, I like my flying, but I don’t pretend the game is unplayable without it

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It’s easier and cheaper to get a real life driver license than it is a fake flying license in a video game. It costs me more per hour to get just the right to fly in world of warcraft. Then, it does per hour to get DRIVING in real life.

That my friend isn’t entitlement that’s ludicrousness.

You lost all credibility when you just said you don’t need a car in rural america. I live in a town with around 1,500 people it’s an absolute necessity to own a car here. There are no cabs there may not even be a neighbor within 10 miles and there is no good enough to internet to work from home. Stop taking this absolute.

When in reality you know nothing about them. When I say necessity I mean these other people are flying and can easily over take me fly down and one-shot me then kill me again and again, I cannot fly so I have no options I just die, or me grinding on a ground mount for mats for gold is pointless when someone with flying can do it 400% faster than me. That my friend is what I mean by necessity. Thank you.

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I’m sorry but that is a very poor response. People who live in rural American do need a car to live. Some people’s neighbors are as far as say a mile from them. I know this is totally off topic but I just really needed to say that lol. Also, you don’t call for a cab in rural america… At least I’m pretty confident you can’t.

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Volt you are 100% correct I’m one of the lucky few in my area that even have access to decent internet.