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“people kill me when I don’t have a flying mount”
“people can grind faster then me when they can fly”
well, if there is no flying, neither of those are problems because neither of you have flying
also, I lived in a rural town for a long time too, im not saying living without a car in a place like that would be easy, im not saying it would be fun, it certainly wouldn’t be, it would suck
but clearly you don’t understand what necessity means
a car in rural America is MASSIVELY helpful to life, exponentially more so than flying in warcraft, its not really an even comparison, a car in rural America is far closer to necessary than a flying mount in wow, I stuck with the metaphor though because it make your point stronger … but its still not necessary
just because you want it to mean something doesn’t mean that what it means
what you mean by necessary is actually … “easier”
a car in rural America makes life easeir
a flying mount in wow makes life easier
yes, I 100% agree
but easier is not necessary
bottom line is your being entitled because you want something that makes the game easier given to you on day 1, and are willing to quit over it
I want something that makes the game easier given to me on day 1 also, the difference is im not quitting over it
No, if he wanted PVP, then folks wanting to PVP would be happy to engage with him. He wants easy, cheap ganks. That’s what the “Flying ruins world pvp” argument always boils down to.
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if cars were necessary for rural life, rural life would not be possible without cars
rural life existed before cars
necessary and easier are not the same things
feeling necessary and being necessary are not the same thing
im not saying people in rural America shouldn’t have cars, and im not saying we shouldn’t have flying in wow, im saying if wow didn’t have flying its still playable, its just harder
Okay then you’re saying we should go back to using horses then? Because that’s what we were using before cars for rural life. Well I guess back then there weren’t really super big cities but still. No matter how you want to put it, a necessity is also something that you need to be able to function not just with yourself but with society. Without a car in a rural area you can’t properly function with society.
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He’s made it pretty clear that necessity to him is like ABSOLUTE you will die if you don’t have them. He doesn’t mean true necessity. Like education or eating more than dirt cookies.
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im clearly not saying we should go back to using horses
im saying you CAN use a horse, or a bike, or you can move
interacting with society is also not necessary, it may be fulfilling, helpful, fun, etc.
sure, it would suck, but lack of sucking is not a definition of necessary
also, just a side note, at the height of the Roman Empire the city of Rome had over 1 million people, that would put it in the top 10 biggest cities in America today
anyway, lets put this question another way
if you live in a rural area, and your car breaks down, totally dead, on fire, never to work again … are you going to kill yourself? I would certainly hope not, you will find a way to get by until you get a new one
if you can’t drink water anymore, you will die
which is a necessity?
I do mean true necessity, actually I mean necessity, because thats all it means
according to Miriam Webster a necessity is something that is absolutely needed
Well, I’m talking more in America not really Europe. But that means we don’t need planes or boats. Wanna go from the US to say the UK? Swim then. A lot of people know how to swim so just swim across the Atlantic Ocean to get to the other continents then.
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im not European, not talking about Europe, though it doesn’t matter either way
and yea, we don’t need planes or boats
they make things easier, they help deliver food and luxuries, they are great for travel and entertainment, but we can live without them, we did for hundreds of thousands of years
when its no longer useful cause its right at the freaking end.
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Okay so then lets take things in prospective. There are 7.53 billion people in the world. If we decided to remove all of the worlds transportation and take away everything to you that you think is not a necessity how would you survive in this current world? You couldn’t you would be dead quickly. You know why? Food production would cease or be very limited. People would be killing other people to survive. A majority of the people in this world most likely don’t know how to grow their own food and have the availability to get clean water. And I’ll include this, I definitely would be one of the people to be dead quickly. I wouldn’t survive a mass chaos like that. Without transportation society would fall apart and cause total chaos resulting in a lot of people dying.
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BfA was too long of a wait, but by no definition is 10 months out of a 24 month expansion the very end.
If you are playing WoW because of flying maybe you should consider playing Flight Simulator 2020 instead.
The vast majority of people have said - just get rid of the time-gating.
Theri stubborness is rooted in nothing other than stubborness.
This from the same group of people who said “you think you want it, but you don’t”. Dude we’re telling you what we want straight up.
Not sure how or why they are still confused over what players want. It seems like they are just willfully ignoring the playerbase at this point.
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while all this may be true, its a straw man
we weren’t talking about all motorized vehicles in the world, we were talking about a hypothetical individual in rural America
but yea, if you scale this hypothetical up to a global level, it certainly changes the argument, there is no doubt that loads of people wouldn’t survive through that
but also, this is where the metaphor falls apart, because if you took away every flying mount in the world of warcraft it would matter even less than taking away 1, not more
the point is acting like flying in warcraft is NECESSARY is just flat out histrionic
Yeah I’m just gonna end the whole topic here because now we’re not even talking about flying at all lmao. The only reason flying would be 100% a necessity is if blizzard designed the zones around flying making places unreachable without it.
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exactly, I 100% agree with that 
I will say personally, I would like to have flying in the game much earlier than later. The main reason is I get tired of traveling from place to place on the ground. Yeah you could say there are flight paths but I just mainly want the convenience sooner than later. That’s just my opinion on that though.
This is something most people, even those firmly in the pathfinder-is-better camp, completely agree on.
I think if they made pathfinder a quest line, that when all through the new zones, with group bosses in it, that was available day 1, then everyone would be satisfied
and if they release new zones in content patches, then add in quest lines to expand pathfinding to those zones
its available early, its easy, but its not free or grindy, win win imo