In other news, Apple released $600 headphones

I wonder if the scalpers will jack the price of those headphones.

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Ohhh I see you’re comparing laptops lmao who actually uses laptops for gaming yikes. Enjoy that I guess I’ll be over here with my desktop that outperforms apple products for a fraction of the cost.

People spend thousands of dollars on audiophile headphones. Of course, if one was going to buy a $600 DAC setup it probably wouldn’t be for listening to 16kHz MP3s on their iPod, so I don’t know who this is even for.

Well, I can say I did. I used to make a LOT of money and it didn’t matter. With T-Mobile I paid $15 dollars a month for my phone. No money down and only paid tax. I could take in my phone once per year and my payment never changed. Almost like a lease. I never really needed the new phone, but if I was going to be paying for it, why not? I know people who can spend $15 in one visit to Taco Bell.

I use only Apple Products, my iMac is like a year old now and my MBP 8 months ish? I replace them around the time Apple care + runs out if I’m being honest. My phone and iPad too, I like the operating system being smooth on all devices. I use them for things besides gaming but to be fair WoW, SWTOR (I have to boot camp if I want to play it what ever), and CK2/3 are the only games I play so it’s not like gaming is what drives me to make a purchase.

I respect everyone’s choices, I applaud Blizzard for having been good about their Mac customers since before I was even playing this game, I’ve never understood the Apple Hate / dislike of Apple customers from non Apple users though like who cares?

Also for the OP of the thread I haven’t seen the new headphones probably won’t get them Twitter was making fun of them as looking like the cheap headphones they used back in public schools and I like my regular AirPods or beats so yeah.

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Ummm no I am not. I compared processors.

The Mac mini is not a laptop either.

The new MacBook Air performs about on the level of a desktop i7 with a 580 gpu. All on integrated graphics with a 20 hour battery life and no heat.

From a first try on CPUs.

Comon dude, this is the world of computing, your thinking is not October 2020 and actually December 2020. Try to keep up…

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That’s hilariously sad for the cost to Performance.

Funny thing is I became a Blizzard fan BECAUSE they were one of the only big gaming companies to support Apple back in the day. I always had both (like I do now) but prefer Apple and getting great games from Bungie (before they sold out and left the Mac platform) like Marathon and things like Warcraft made me fans of companies, even if their games were not the best (WC1 & WC2)

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Really? I am sure you can get an el cheap case at some computer fair for 15 bucks with a no name power supply for $5, along with a bootleg copy of windows and try to piece together a system that will only game and you can spend your time always messing with it. I did that when I was a poor kid too.

Now I will spend an extra $100 and get quality. I do the same on the Windows side. And yes, system like Alienware are the real deal.

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Ah ok I see you’re trolling, I admit you had me in the first half, enjoy mocking those apple users.

The Airpod Pros I have sound great, and they stay in my ears now after getting 3rd party memory foam eartips, so I’m good in that regard. I also have a pair of Razer Blackshark Pro V2 wireless for gaming, and my favorite headphones of all - a pair of Sennheiser HD 650 open ear headphones, purely for professional music production. The Sennheisers are so comfortable and sound so damned good.

I bet these new ones from Apple sound great but I have no use for them at all.

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That pissed me off so much. They had Halo done, it ran well on Mac, they even demoed it on the Mac. Then Microsoft bought Bungie and killed the Mac version so they could sell more XBoxes.

I used to far prefer Bungie to Blizzard but at least Blizzard supports multiple platforms. I wish they released Overwatch for the Mac but oh well…

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It always irked me that BioWare couldn’t launch SWTOR with a Mac client. But what ever, ESO launched with Mac and PS and XBOX compatibility a few years later and made me laugh because like BioWare tried its best I guess.

I think it released on Steam? And I was mildly intrigued like maybe it’s Mac compatible now and I won’t have to boot camp. And it’s not, I was like what even does steam do for SWTOR then, I guess just advertising of it or accessibility?

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Same! I bought my first Apple computer in 2006. I loved that I was able to play WoW on all my Apple computers. I held onto my iPhone 4 until a few months ago. I upgraded because it stopped doing certain functions correctly. I had it for several years. I upgraded to my daughter’s iPhone 7 and bought her the iPhone SE. :slight_smile:

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uhh…AMD beats Intel (at times by over 10% which IS big) at nearly everythign (barring a few programs that are biased to intel such a RDR2)

M1 loses to amd’s desktop even IN its native stuff. Try emulation for x86 stuff and its slaughtered.

and 1st desktop in forever, but not really an issue as they have years of experience in their own chips due to iphone/ipad.

it beats a 1050 ti…which is about as low as u can get for a gaming gpu.
and amd’s built in graphics are not soemthing ppl brag about. they are there for light gaming but if u wanted to game you’d buy a dedicated card.

i would hope so for its power efficient design.

also Even Apple knows it isnt a hail mary.

they had to go back and chaneg their claim of “faster than 98% of laptops” to “world’s best CPU performance per watt.”

from candy tech casue they are a big name?

and if you know anything about “benchmarking” you don’t take 1 outlets word.
you lack the info to know how well it was done.

you can go to anandtech (a more known site) and they have benchamrks that differ.

as will other sites.

vs a stock competition (ryzen cpu’s are notorious for performing better with tuning your memory)
vs last gen cpu’s. (5000 series had massive Single thread improvemtn so the actual upcoming laptop ones will be similar) thoguh given what we have heard in leaks of intels side…it’ll for sure beat them.

ROFL
oh this is rich.

you mean the 1 benchmark that doesnt stress a cpu and is light and quick so a ryzen wont near reach its potential and the M1 wont have to deal with long term heat lowering its performance over time?

geekbench is a joke.

not entirely true.
they have years of chip experience due to their pos security ones in ipad/iphone/imacs. not apple to apples but itsn ot like they went in blind.

more interested in how the rumored future amd arm cpu will be compared to apples. (as that will be an apples to apple fight)

is the M1 a good cpu? sure. and thats fine.
is it worth the price they are asking though?
not really. its getting both early adopter fee and the apple tax.

also fact that it has no upgrade paths. (u get what u buy)
which IS bad considering you only have a max of 16gb ram (professional ppl specifically can use over that and once u do go over ur ram u suffer huge hits to performance)

Odd, because real-world tests are showing that a bunch of x86 code is actually running faster on the M1. They’re using a one-time code translation and not an emulation. The translation itself is pretty quick and only happens on first launch, after that it’s all native.

These aren’t pro-level machines, they are budget ones. 16 GB is fine for those and pro-level machines are in the works.

grabbed a geekbench (since it was used prior and due to tis light burst test favors apple the most of the tests) graph that shows native and the emulated (rosetta2) difference.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119160.png

dont have the graph for it but its a similarly big hit in stuff liek cinebench when using the emulation.

Again, I’m talking about real-world testing. Not simulated benchmarks.

real world testing isnt universal.

what 1 persons real world usage is isnt same as anothers.

if ur doign stuff like light browsing, document editing, etc geek bench does represent it (due to its short burst load)

if ur doign stuff like editing video, compiling code, etc thats a much more demanding.

point being you can get some data by benchmarks to have a valid performance based on your content.
(just a rough assumption nto set in stone mind you)

tl;dr arm stuff will run at full speed. rosetta2 (emulating) will run slower due to requiring more steps.
even apple says its not a substitute to a native app version.