You game on an Apple desktop or laptop? 
Why in the would anyone do that? For the money, you can get a windows based PC that performs much better than any Apple desktop or laptop at like half the price. This is the Cult of Apple stuff Iām talking about. Also, you need to read my previous posts in this thread, I donāt hate Apple products. I just find the Apple zombies that buy Apple products for the name more than anything else to be stupid. You know this is true.
Sure, you could get a $600 or $700 gaming laptop that can do everything a MacBook does, however bet it overheats and throttles like all amd and intel laptops do.
Bought a $2000 gaming laptop in 2014. Battery died 3 times and the thermal paste and cpu needed to replaced because it just was melted.
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Everything the Macbook does just as good if not better. I bet it doesnāt overheat and throttle. So, you got a lemon laptop. I bet there are Apple laptops that are lemons too. Cult of Apple strikes again.
Lmao are you really going to make a comment about thermals when itās been known, and a issue with how hot apple products run? If we are talking about thermal throttling apple takes the cake for this.
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You mean the thermals on the intel chip that most of you are running? Or on the new M1 Apple ship that outperforms it, runs cooler and uses less power?
I game on a Mac mini with an eGPU. I also happen to have a Dell Inspiron with a half height passively cooled 1030. I replaced the Dell with the Mac and the Dell sits on a shelf where I may load FreeNas on into make a media server. My PC was about $500, my Mac about $800 with the GPU. I easy say the Mac is better but a lot harder to upgrade (what can be). Iād still take the Mac any day for the OS.
No one argues that you CAN build a very cheap PC with the only intent to game. Get a cheap case, maybe get a good power supply (if your video card needs it) or go cheap to save $$$, maybe a good mobo, and invest everything into a big name proc and video card. I know, I had been doing that on my second systems since the 80s. I worked for Dell for 15 years - I know the good and bad of pre-built vs homebuilt. I have seen people like you order stuff on line, have a part come in DOA, have to pay for the part again as part of the RMA process and take weeks to get the replacement part and more weeks till the refund for the RMA.
BTW, ANY argument you can say for your homebuilt PC can also apply to the Mac because Hackintosh. I am just too old to want to screw with things like that, just like I am fine with buying a car the way I want it and not tearing it apart to get 5% performance improvement for a 10% reduction in reliability
Like all Apple people, youāll take the Apple product simply because itās an Apple.
Hmmmm. I order all that type of stuff from Newegg and Amazon. They all have return and refund policies. Not sure what online store youāre referring too.
Yes I know 1 person who does this.
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Um no, you have me confused with the Anti Apple folks. Like I said I wouldnāt buy these headphones. Not my cup of tea. I also said I would build a Hackintosh, if gaming performance as cheap as possible was 100% of my focus. No Apple logo there. Kinda defeats your argument, no?
So who said there was no return and refund policy? We both saying they have one, but you have not said what yours is. Will part show up tomorrow at no cost to you like Dell? Can you take it into a local store and have it fixed like Apple? Need more details on your return and refund policy because just saying there is one doesnāt cut it unless you know its inferior.
I am in my 50s and a cheap old man. I have NEVER cared what other think of me and I sure as heck wouldnāt buy something to try to impress others. But I like quality. The Mac OS is and always have been superior to windows since 1984. There is a reason windows 95 = Mac 1984 was a meme of the day. I feel the same about Android. They both work and work well. But I like Apple for the same reasons I like Blizzard, they just have more polish than the competition.
When you get old like me having quality and refinement in your daily driver that has a 12 second 1/4 mile time is more important than sitting on a milk crate in a car that can run a 10 second 1/4 mile time
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So you say.
Iāve never experience this:
Iāve never had to wait weeks for a replacement part of for a refund of a defective PC part.
The specific instance I am talking about was in 2010 or so, a little old but not really old in my time with computers.
I remember it well because a friend of mine went back and forth about getting our 17% employee discount on a new water cooled Alienware vs Homebuilt. Being an old guy who wanted a real NBD warranty I went Alienware while he went homebuilt. We paid about the same. His mobo came DOA and it took awhile for replacement then it took awhile to get the money back he had to give upfront to order the replacement. Mine showed up and worked, and if there was an issue I could have gotten a full replacement if within 30 days or parts next day with no out of pocket expense.
When you replaced your parts that have failed, what were they? Did you have to pay any money and get a refund as my friend did or did they just ship you a part free of charge and hope you send the original back?
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Apple takes more responsibility here due to the fact that its apple who designs the heatsinks for these CPUās. Apple does the very bare min in terms of providing proper thermal cooling to a SoC. Take the same chip found inside macbook vs another oem with proper cooling and you will see a difference.
The M1 air thermal throttles anyway 
Not with Amazon or Newegg. Granted those two online vendors are the only ones Iāve gotten parts from.
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You can also see reports even on here from anti Mac guys complaining never to buy a āgamingā laptop as they melt or overheat too. Maybe Apple is just being conservative or have a different goal than 100% gaming performance? I for one hate the sound of fans and like how quiet my apple systems are, even if they are slightly slower.
I mean for all people scream about speed most donāt understand it. Like when everyone was demanding an i7 to run WoW when WoW was still only optimized for one core yeah I know its changed, but its still not that huge a difference). I for one bought i3s because the clock speed was higher, gave better performance in WoW (the only thing I need any performance in) and was cheaper/
Link? ALl I have seen is its runs much cooler than any of its competitors.
If so, I will retract my argument as my information was dated. If its NBD awesome. If its 7 days (which I think Appleās mail in is) I would take Dells Next Business Day any day
Letās just give them about 15 more PPI on the screen, about 0.1GHz on each CPU core, keep the RAM the same and add some new light options to the camera.
There, $1200.
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There are no true links because apple does not provide access to this on their SoC. However since the 13" pro uses the very same spec SoC but just with a fan attached to it you can kind of use that as a takeaway.
I have a gaming laptop I bought just to have as a backup (3750h + 1660ti) and its run games fine. WoW, EvE, Warthunder, Gw2, Divinity 2, MHW, Destiny 2, and a few others all running at max settings. Gaming laptops get hot though they dont burn up, max temps my cpu has hit is high 80ās and gpu maybe mid 70ās. The more power you run the hotter its going to get.
The argument of loud fans is solid however that is the side effect of using a gaming laptop while keeping temps down. Remove the fans and you get a apple product. Its nice to have a quite laptop but at the same time its not going to perform remotely close to a gaming laptop cooling capability.
Agreed.
Anytime someone asks me for a laptop because the one they got a year or two ago is slow. I always recommend to get a laptop designed for gaming. My laptops fans get loud but they arenāt that bad. I can play with the laptops speakers and the game drowns it out.
I think that was one post. Iām sure there are always lemons in the bunch. My guess is even with Apple products you can get a lemon.
Yeah I use my Sony XM3 and dont hear my fans at all. My desktop is maybe louder than my laptop only because they run at 100% and there are 6 case fans alone. Will change as my new case has a fan controller on it.
I can say this (even though it will cause my current system to die) I havenāt had a failure I didnāt cause since the 1980s. I build or buy a new system pretty much every year, most of the time I hand down the older one to kids, step kids or help a friend. My 2010 Alienware is still running perfectly at a friends house with no replacements.
Only failure I have had was when I took apart a 2011 iMac and had a cable snagā¦ Getting old and losing dexterity sucks 