I believe it was because they needed the Eye of Aman’thul 1. To stop Gul’dan summoning a new Avatar of Sargeras in Illidan and 2. Seal the Tomb of Sargeras. But yeah, arguably 3. Deprive the Legion of a few allies
You were doing so good… What happened? You made one step forward and now it’s ten steps back.
Why do you feel like you need to do this? Why does it bother you that people like something that you don’t? Is this what you really want your life to be?
Tyrande Whisperwind says: We must spread word of the Alliance’s arrival. Post notice throughout the city that the reign of the Grand Magistrix will soon be ended. Inspire the shal’dorei to resist!
Tyrande Whisperwind says: The more shal’dorei that take up the fight, the fewer of my people who will be lost in the liberation of Suramar.
Just for ease, this is the text.
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I really don’t think the Horde was her second choice lol. The NB were always going to be pro BE they vibed better even on Argus post Suramar but prior to the recruitment scenario time line wise.
I don’t doubt that the case could have been made that had Tyrande not scorned them they could have been neutral bcz they expressed interest in that connection w the NEs but that doesn’t make them the “first choice”, their interest in ties w the NEs at that time doesn’t negate or diminish their ties w the BEs but it certainly helped make the choice for them between neutrality or just going all in w their besties.
This I agree w though all of the quest dialogue and voice lines showed contempt in Tyrandes voice, versus actual concern and empathy from Liadrin. Which again ties into who was clearly the front runner for better ties w the NB.
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Wasn’t the reason they joined a faction at all versus being neutral because that was an expressed goal? It didn’t seem like continued neutrality was on the cards versus one or the other.
When you go to two people that you’re looking to join the first person you go to is generally your first choice. She went to Tyrande first, Liadrin AFTER Tyrande told her to buzz off.
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My post is more aimed at the people who can’t get over NB not being Alliance.
At best you could have hoped for neutral NB. But they were never going Alliance w their relationship w the BEs.
A working relationship w the NEs sure. Was it tied to explicit text that said we want to join the Alliance or simply expressed interest in maintaining friendship between NEs and NB? And that friendship between NEs and NB doesn’t hurt their relationship w BEs.
Sometimes I address a more pressing concern first before one I expect to know the answer to. If I’m having an event where I know my best friend is showing up but another friend who I need to really try to get to show up I may handle the secondary issue second because I see the first concern as more of a “let me touch base w this person first since it’s a question mark”
The fact Tyrande didn’t want a relationship w the NB effected the way they went forward w BEs but that doesn’t suggest they were going Alliance, simply interested in keeping good relations w Suramar and the NEs.
Sure they could. The writers could easily have put ‘the bond with the Night Elves and because they feel the need to choose a faction, they join the Alliance’.
Again, it seems like they never wanted to be neutral down the road.
They didn’t though and that was apparent even when legion was current prior to NB taking a side.
The people who can’t get over them going Horde ignored those story beats and are like you’re suggesting simply asking for a different story all together.
They specifically wanted to reunite with the Night Elves. But Tyrande was not willing to move past their old history.
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Can you specifically cite where they stated it was a reunification as opposed to two groups of people being on friendly terms based on shared history?
Yes. We’re discussing hypotheticals. This was because you floated potential neutrality regarding Night Elves being their first choice. And I’m saying that was never on the cards, hence first choice.
People ask for story changes all the time, yeah.
They were always going Horde based on the story narrative and who they had a better relationship w.
At best based on the story they could be neutral but like you said game play wise were choosing a side period. Tyrande blowing them off doesn’t diminish what BEs built w them during Legion, it helped serve to be a defining point but people who simply point to that as the only reason they weren’t Alliance are people who simply wanted a different story, one where BEs didn’t receive the narrative of being closer w the NB.
So did the Tyrande event serve to try to show they truly wanted to join the Alliance more or did it simply serve to cement the already existing story beat of a better relationship w BEs?
Again, you’re the one who brought up hypotheticals if the writers did something different. Night Elves were their in-game first choice.
They went Horde. The writers possibly always planned that. Night Elves were their in-game first choice.
Again, no, they could have gone Alliance. It is pretty easy to justify in the story.
Both. It showed their initial Night Elf preference but that Tyrande cemented later decisions.
Not w the story we have and if it was the better case they’d be Alliance but aren’t. Because the story fits w BEs better. So you’re asking for a different story just say that.
In a literal sense because you can’t change the past. But they could have changed nothing else but “Yeah, we relate to the Night Elves better to the extent we’re joining them”.
I wouldn’t say better, just equally.
I already said it is a change to the story. Nightborne already went Horde, yeah it’d require some change.
And you arrived at that possibility by ignoring the story narrative beats?
Or
Are we back to this?
You want NB to have been written to have been better friends w the NEs thats not how they were written, they were never going w the NEs over BEs, if you’re asking for a change to that and saying the writers could do anything sure they could do anything, but if you’re saying they would go w the NEs w the working story they had at that time thats a reach dependent on ignoring the story beats we had.
The NB are just as related to BEs as they are NEs and BEs have highborne ancestry in common, thats not even mentioning the fact the story has BEs placed as better friends w NB from the beginning, from how they helped in Suramar w actual empathy vs Tyrandes contempt to where they ended up after all those story beats.
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No, I arrived to it by looking at the story narrative beats.
I don’t think it is ignoring the beats or a reach. I think it is an extremely easy conclusion. You’re welcome to your opinion, though.
A lot of the Nightborne story emphasis is about picking a new future. Finding balance through the Arcan’dor’s fruit. That they aren’t like Elisande or Azshara. Rejecting trying to reignite the Nightwell. Finding a faction to be part of the world instead of sitting back. So I think it’d be simple enough for them to conclude with all of that that the Night Elves are ultimately the group that will help them grow despite Tyrande’s doubt. That they want to overcome that rather than move away. That perhaps they view the reforging of the Sunwell as literally the opposite of their decision to not empower their own well.
Yes, the story didn’t go that direction. But I don’t think much would need to change based on what happened for the alternative in question.
Thalyssra told Liadrin she figured the kaldorei were her people’s “obvious allies”, but was disabused of this notion after actually meeting one.
The Sisterhood of Elune ought to create a separate “foreign ambassador” post and assign it to anyone but Tyrande at this point, she’s really let her diplomacy score tank since WC3.
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She wasn’t a good diplomat even in WC3 either. Tyrande’s always been a fighter, the Sisterhood of Elune trains its Priests/Priestesses to be martial combatants, they aren’t soft and defenseless clerics from Northshire.
The Sisterhood has maintained its role since the days of the ancient Kaldorei Empire, over 10,000 years prior; although this role was significantly less political before the Great Sundering. Owing to their military capabilities, the Sisterhood also played an active role in the War of the Ancients, where they joined with the Kaldorei Resistance to curb the invasion of the Burning Legion. They ultimately played a decisive role in numerous battles with the demons, acting as both, elite shock troops, and adept healers.[23]
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