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How are they exploiting artists? How did you get that from what I said?
Like I said, I don’t make the rules. Budgets are strict and that’s just how it works.
They have a model which fills them with profits already. They are swimming in money if you look at their reports.
I believe they have to use that. If they can’t well, I don’t agree. Making more cash from players is anti-consumer in a pay to play game with freemium shops.
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Actually you can think of those who are employed by the corporation. Making money isnt a bad thing…
Greed is good… Gordon Gecko
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most artists die before their work is appreciated, if your doing it for the admiration of others then its worthless, true art is the artist pushing past themselves to create something they thought they were incapable of for the sake of the art and no one else, inspiration can come from those around you, but motivation comes from inside.
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don’t work that way…
It’s not anti-consumer. It’s all cosmetic stuff and no one is forcing people to buy them.
And why is it a bad thing if they’re “swimming in money”? You think it serves no purpose other than lining the higher-ups’ pockets? How do you think they make new IPs? Where do you think the budget for Overwatch came from? If they didn’t make a good profit from their other games, they wouldn’t have had a budget for new IPs.
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They’re swimming in money which is good enough for them to keep the artists employed. They don’t need more money which they aren’t going to give to the artists.
That’s my point
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You think no one at Blizzard has ever gotten a raise? You think artists that have been there for 10+ years still make the same amount of money they made when they started? The more money a company makes, the bigger the budgets are and the more they can pay their employees. It’s not hard to understand.
So if Employees at Blizzard are getting a raise and given how they have done major cost cutting and are still making huge profits, you must definitely agree that enough money is there to keep the Artists employed?
Are we drifting from helping the artists to saying the cash shop is good for Blizzard?
Who are you even supporting anyway? The hard working artists or Blizzard?
Your replies in this thread seem to imply you think Blizzard artists get some sort of commission on store items that are sold, I’m 99.9% sure that isn’t true. Whether they’re designing a raid armor set or store item they still get paid the exact same salary for their position, they’re not contractors.
Also you seemed to imply they don’t get paid if there’s nothing to do;
- There’s always something to do, they have a full expansion to flesh out, each patch of content + they start working on the next expansion pretty much as soon as one is released.
- Once again, if you’re on a salary it doesn’t matter if you’re working or not, you get paid unless they fire you.
I think you’ve been doing too many $20 ametuer commission projects online and don’t understand how a professional employed artist is paid.
Both. I’m not drifting, I’m still saying the same thing. The cash shop has been around for 10+ years, and the profits from it have helped keep people employed and make budgets for new games. There’s nothing negative about it. It’s only “negative” because people are mad that they have to pay for the items if they want them. It’s as if someone was mad that they have to pay for food at Costco because they pay for a membership.
Alright this is where we disagree.
I support the artists alone here.
Simply because I already support Blizzard by subbing.
I guess we can agree to disagree.
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I’m not.
That’s the thing. Before DLC was a thing (the cash shop is, for all intents and purposes, DLC), artists would get laid off when there was nothing for them to do. And no, there’s not ALWAYS something to do. If you’re a rigger, you don’t have anything to do unless the models that need to be rigged are done. Tasks don’t always align perfectly. Things can go wrong and take longer than expected, etc.
I’ve done both.
Sounds good to me.
The Artist is like that silent but deadly dude on your raid team that pulls 4 times more then your top dps.
Artists both sound and visual carry a raid teams worth of dev’s each day the last thing they need to hear is complaints directed at them. You wouldn’t yell at that silent but dead dude on your raid team would you?
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The artists don’t care one bit about all the garbage humans, whiners and trolls on these forums or elsewhere, and neither should you.
Welcome to being an artist, gone are the days of the rennaisance and our skills are no longer unique.
I mean the artist is already being compensated by Blizzard before they even put up their work in the store. They are not getting that extra income from sales, they’ve been paid a fixed price for something and Blizzard is going to profit off it majorly, that’s how business works. The artists are not getting paid more, quit this delusion of 'ThE StOrE HeLpS PaY ArTiStS MoAr." It’s blatant cash grabbing.
I am an artist myself, everyone has their own opinions on your work. If you choose, and yes it is a choice of the artist to create and release a piece of work to a company, and that company makes a decision with your work that pisses people off. That’s on you. You gave them the rights, they did something the playerbase didn’t like, your art will catch the flak and you’ll have to just deal with it.
Blizzard could have just put it in game if they really wanted to show appreciation for the artist, but no they are putting it in the store and pocketing all the sales, the artist sees NONE OF IT.
I would understand the point of a cash shop if this game was Free-to-play, but its subscription based. Blizz is milking the cow by putting in xmogs/mounts/etc. in the store that have more effort put into them then the majority of xmogs/mounts/etc. in game.
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Another person who hasn’t read past the first post.
None of this is true unless it’s commissioned work.
They can’t put it in the game because it wasn’t part of the game’s budget. I’ve explained it like 50 times in this thread already, I’m not doing it again. Go read my previous posts if you don’t understand how it works.
Untrue, the entire set is easily viewed by the artist/s. -I prob won’t use the set myself but I think Blizz deserves some encouragement for such things. So I did buy it without the intention of using it. It’s nice to see stuff that isn’t skulls and dragons, even though I’d buy a set that is skulls and dragons. lol
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